GOP & Policies toward/treatment of Transgender & other LGBTQ Americans

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Callatoroy said:
Didn't you just get your ass kicked based on that mentality?
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Ass kicked? Your cult God just barely beat a woman who only had 2.5 months to build a campaign and run. Sounds kind of embarrassing that old orange tuffy could barely squeak it out.
 
Callatoroy said:
if you have a penis you use the men's bathroom
if you have a vagina or are fully transitioned from a man to a woman you use the ladies bathroom
if you are anything else you use the unisex bathroom
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Isn't the logical conclusion of this genital checks by some sort of bathroom police before entering a bathroom?

If people are allowed to "self-certify" their genitals, why would you trust that self-certification any more than you would trust that person's self-certification as to which bathroom is the most appropriate for them?

And if we don't trust self-certifications of genitals, where does that leave us?
 
TangledUpInBlue06 said:
Isn't the logical conclusion of this genital checks by some sort of bathroom police before entering a bathroom?

If people are allowed to "self-certify" their genitals, why would you trust that self-certification any more than you would trust that person's self-certification as to which bathroom is the most appropriate for them?

And if we don't trust self-certifications of genitals, where does that leave us?
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Lindsay Graham has volunteered to check all men.
 
Callatoroy said:
Are you not comfortable stating your opinions to the questions I asked?
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No, I'm happy answering them.

Move past that case. What is your opinion on biological men using female bathrooms?

Biological men who identify as men should use the men's restroom. The very small number of biological men who identify as women should either use a transgender or unisex restroom, or should be allowed to use the women's restroom, where the stall design will pose literally no risk to any biological women using the same restroom.

Do you see any logic in the claim that non transitioned men could pose a threat to women in a women's bathroom?

Sure. There's always a risk that sexual assaults could happen in women's restrooms, whether committed by biological women, biological men who identify as men (the VA situation), or by biological men who identify as women. All such crimes should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Do you think any woman who objects to that is absurd and discriminating against trans men?

I don't know what this question even means. I know the women in my life find the anti-trans movement among the GOP to be abhorrent, to the point they will never, ever under any circumstance consider voting for Republicans anytime in the future because of the dishonest scapegoating that has happened over the last several years. Otherwise, I can't speak for women, as I'm not one.


Now your turn: "By the way, the leaders of your party are also criminals, pedophiles, rapists, predators. Are you really ok with that?"
 
Zoo_View said:
Men have been assaulting women in bathrooms since the creation of bathrooms.
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Imagine the rapist who was going to commit his crime, but wasn’t willing to risk being charged with using the wrong bathroom.

It would be like deciding to murder someone, but you get to their house and see a no trespassing sign. Murder is one thing, but I’m just not willing to also face a trespassing charge.
 
TangledUpInBlue06 said:
Isn't the logical conclusion of this genital checks by some sort of bathroom police before entering a bathroom?

If people are allowed to "self-certify" their genitals, why would you trust that self-certification any more than you would trust that person's self-certification as to which bathroom is the most appropriate for them?

And if we don't trust self-certifications of genitals, where does that leave us?
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Only the restrooms on the House floor. I don't think we need to worry about other restrooms, but Mike Johnson DEFINITELY needs genital checkers in the House restrooms. As long as they're not linked to his app, anyway.
 
aGDevil2k said:
Ass kicked? Your cult God just barely beat a woman who only had 2.5 months to build a campaign and run. Sounds kind of embarrassing that old orange tuffy could barely squeak it out.
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Number Of Swing States = 7

Number Trump Won = 7
Number Kamala Won = 0

That's getting your ass kicked especially given the gains he made in almost every category
 
lawtig02 said:
No, I'm happy answering them.

Move past that case. What is your opinion on biological men using female bathrooms?

Biological men who identify as men should use the men's restroom. The very small number of biological men who identify as women should either use a transgender or unisex restroom, or should be allowed to use the women's restroom, where the stall design will pose literally no risk to any biological women using the same restroom.

Do you see any logic in the claim that non transitioned men could pose a threat to women in a women's bathroom?

Sure. There's always a risk that sexual assaults could happen in women's restrooms, whether committed by biological women, biological men who identify as men (the VA situation), or by biological men who identify as women. All such crimes should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Do you think any woman who objects to that is absurd and discriminating against trans men?

I don't know what this question even means. I know the women in my life find the anti-trans movement among the GOP to be abhorrent, to the point they will never, ever under any circumstance consider voting for Republicans anytime in the future because of the dishonest scapegoating that has happened over the last several years. Otherwise, I can't speak for women, as I'm not one.


Now your turn: "By the way, the leaders of your party are also criminals, pedophiles, rapists, predators. Are you really ok with that?"
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Bump for callatoroy
 
Callatoroy said:
Have you ever heard anything negative about him prior to getting into politics? Other than partisanship why is an accusation more credible than his denial?
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1. I've never heard anything about him period until last week. Didn't know who he was. So there's that. He's a completely laughable, pathetic, unpatriotic pick regardless.
2. Um, let's think this through. What incentive does a woman have to make a bullshit accusation? None. It usually causes trouble for her and leads to all sorts of backlash effects, including stochastic terrorism and harassment. Christine Blasey Ford, for instance, had to move.

Now, let's think about the man's incentive. Does he have an incentive to lie about a crime he committed? I think even you can figure this one out.

And that's why accusations are more credible than denials.

3. Now, when women have something to gain by a bogus accusation -- let's say in a divorce action -- the situation is different. But this woman had zero incentive to make up a story about a nobody.
 
Callatoroy said:
Number Of Swing States = 7

Number Trump Won = 7
Number Kamala Won = 0

That's getting your ass kicked especially given the gains he made in almost every category
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Nobody cares. You can jerk off to these numbers all you want. I'm sure it gets you hot. But this means basically nothing at all, except that our country will suffer because we will have a power-grabbing madman in charge, and the madman has been given immunity to commit crimes.
 
lawtig02 said:
No, I'm happy answering them.

Move past that case. What is your opinion on biological men using female bathrooms?

Biological men who identify as men should use the men's restroom. The very small number of biological men who identify as women should either use a transgender or unisex restroom, or should be allowed to use the women's restroom, where the stall design will pose literally no risk to any biological women using the same restroom.

Do you see any logic in the claim that non transitioned men could pose a threat to women in a women's bathroom?

Sure. There's always a risk that sexual assaults could happen in women's restrooms, whether committed by biological women, biological men who identify as men (the VA situation), or by biological men who identify as women. All such crimes should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Do you think any woman who objects to that is absurd and discriminating against trans men?

I don't know what this question even means. I know the women in my life find the anti-trans movement among the GOP to be abhorrent, to the point they will never, ever under any circumstance consider voting for Republicans anytime in the future because of the dishonest scapegoating that has happened over the last several years. Otherwise, I can't speak for women, as I'm not one.


Now your turn: "By the way, the leaders of your party are also criminals, pedophiles, rapists, predators. Are you really ok with that?"
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I won't support any of them if convicted of a crime beyond a misdemeanor.
 
nycfan is going to kill all of us when she comes back and finds this thread
 
Callatoroy said:
I won't support any of them if convicted of a crime beyond a misdemeanor.
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You voted for a guy who fits that description. And who absolutely 100% committed other crimes, but managed to get a lackey to toss the charges.

But sure, go ahead with your pathetic bullshit. Have you figured out how timeouts work yet?
 
superrific said:
1. I've never heard anything about him period until last week. Didn't know who he was. So there's that. He's a completely laughable, pathetic, unpatriotic pick regardless.
2. Um, let's think this through. What incentive does a woman have to make a bullshit accusation? None. It usually causes trouble for her and leads to all sorts of backlash effects, including stochastic terrorism and harassment. Christine Blasey Ford, for instance, had to move.

Now, let's think about the man's incentive. Does he have an incentive to lie about a crime he committed? I think even you can figure this one out.

And that's why accusations are more credible than denials.

3. Now, when women have something to gain by a bogus accusation -- let's say in a divorce action -- the situation is different. But this woman had zero incentive to make up a story about a nobody.
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In politics, accusations are never more or less credible than denials. Even you can understand the possibility of someone coming out of the woodwork when a high profile political appointment materializes. His reason for the denial and NDA are certainly plausible. Whether you believe him is probably more related to your politics. I neither believe him nor disbelieve him without more information.
 
Callatoroy said:
In politics, accusations are never more or less credible than denials. Even you can understand the possibility of someone coming out of the woodwork when a high profile political appointment materializes. His reason for the denial and NDA are certainly plausible. Whether you believe him is probably more related to your politics. I neither believe him nor disbelieve him without more information.
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But the accusation was made long before he got into politics. His own attorney said that he settled because he feared for his job at Fox News (LOL). This was years ago.
 
superrific said:
You voted for a guy who fits that description. And who absolutely 100% committed other crimes, but managed to get a lackey to toss the charges.

But sure, go ahead with your pathetic bullshit. Have you figured out how timeouts work yet?
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Who fits that description? Have you figured out how the legal system works yet?
You think joe is innocent of using his influence to generate $27 million of overseas money for his family too don't you?
 
aGDevil2k said:
Ass kicked? Your cult God just barely beat a woman who only had 2.5 months to build a campaign and run. Sounds kind of embarrassing that old orange tuffy could barely squeak it out.
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And he also didn't even win a majority of the popular vote - yet again a majority of Americans voted against him. His final victory margin will be somewhere between 1.0 and 1.5%, which places it within 5 or 6 of the closest elections in American history. More of a tap than a kick, really.
 
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