GOP & Policies toward/treatment of Transgender & other LGBTQ Americans

[BlooVooDoo]

I think we should take reasonable steps to keep males out of female sports because males have an unfair physical advantage.

So a relatively rare unfair physical advantage is a concern, but widespread use of performance enhancing substances conferring an obvious benefit is a trivial matter?

 

[finesse]

Should we regularly test for steroid use among all athletes? I mean, if your’re concerned about a perceived unfair advantage that boys have over girls because of size and strength, shouldn’t you be concerned that some people within a sex are cheating? Maybe we should have tiers of sports based on physical size the same way we do for HS based on enrollment.

Hurray! Our team made the class A, average height, bantamweight football playoffs!

Probably ought to outlaw all private coaching, weight lifting classes and such as well. It's not fair to those who can't afford time. And if RFK, Jr doesn't regulate food for everybody, who's going to make sure athletes get the same nutrients so everything is fair.

 

[ZenMode]

So a relatively rare unfair physical advantage is a concern, but widespread use of performance enhancing substances conferring an obvious benefit is a trivial matter?

No strawmanning allowed.

It's not either/or. This current discussion is about males and females.

 

[finesse]

No strawmanning allowed.

It's not either/or. This current discussion is about males and females.

And your inability to grasp that isn't either/or at birth.

 

[ChileG]

So a relatively rare unfair physical advantage is a concern, but widespread use of performance enhancing substances conferring an obvious benefit is a trivial matter?

This touches on another reason these issues should be handled by the governing bodies of the sport.
It may not be worth the resources or effort or whatever to make sure every junior high female volleyball player was born female.
The Olympics or pro sports may come to different conclusions.

 

[UNCatTech]

No strawmanning allowed.

It's not either/or. This current discussion is about males and females.

No, your premis is that there is an unfair advantage. So why would it be limited to the unfair advantage you claim and not all unfair advantages?

 

[UNCatTech]

And your inability to grasp that isn't either/or at birth.

He refuses to grasp it. For some reason he has an unnatural dislike for trans people and their mental wellbeing. He likes to play gotcha where the numbers will never support his promises. For every 1 trans female there will be multiple other "unfair advantage", but he doesn't want to talk about those.

 

[ZenMode]

No, your premis is that there is an unfair advantage.

Yes, because there is.

So why would it be limited to the unfair advantage you claim and not all unfair advantages?

I never said there should be a limit. I said the current topic is male athletes competing in female sports.

 

[UNCatTech]

Yes, because there is.

I never said there should be a limit. I said the current topic is male athletes competing in female sports.

What is this shit: This current discussion is about males and females.

This is setting a limit. YOU set the limit of your discussion to be about males and females, which you do because you know you are basically bitching about one tree when ignoring the rest of the forest.

Please never respond to me. I only took you off of ignore so I could see other's responses.

 

[Zoo_View]

What is this shit: This current discussion is about males and females.

This is setting a limit. YOU set the limit of your discussion to be about males and females, which you do because you know you are basically bitching about one tree when ignoring the rest of the forest.

Please never respond to me. I only took you off of ignore so I could see other's responses.

Don’t reply to him.

Write your post but not as a reply to him. Then, don’t reply to him ever.

 

[UNCatTech]

Don’t reply to him.

Write your post but not as a reply to him. Then, don’t reply to him ever.

I know, I should learn my lesson.

 

[ZenMode]

What is this shit: This current discussion is about males and females.

Specifically trans females, but yes.

This is setting a limit.

Correct. I'm limiting it to not only the current discussion, but the thread topic. This is something that most posters seem to appreciate, if not request.

YOU set the limit of your discussion to be about males and females, which you do because you know you are basically bitching about one tree when ignoring the rest of the forest.

Or I'm literally sticking to the topic of the thread/discussion.

Please never respond to me. I only took you off of ignore so I could see other's responses.

Sorry, but you don't get to make accusations and then tell the accused that they can't respond.

 

[McAdooSmackinYou]

He just wants to think about testicles without acknowledging he wants to think about testicles. Just think about testicles, zen! It’s liberating!

 

[evrheel]

During early development, the gonads of the fetus remain undifferentiated; that is, all fetal genitalia are the same and are pheno-typically female. After approximately 6 to 7 weeks of gestation, however, the expression of a gene on the Y chromosome induces changes that result in the development of the testes.

Looks like God created females first

 

[evrheel]

I think we should take reasonable steps to keep males out of female sports because males have an unfair physical advantage.

Some do, but many like yourself, do not.

 

[UNCatTech]

Some do, but many like yourself, do not.

They make such broad assertions. I'm sure every girl on the UNC girls basketball team would no the floor with him in a game. I wonder if that would be enough to wake these toes up to the fact that their assertions are not 100% fact especially in such a nuanced discussion.

Me I prefer to be inclusive and give more value to the other things that can be gained from sport and not just the wins and losses or 5th place finishes.

 

[finesse]

I've about decided that they really don't like the way that their secret help, God, who we know is always on their side is getting His butt kicked by chemistry and modern medicine. Speaking about an unfair advantage, how about bringing Him in? Fortunately, there's so many calls for assistance, He seems a little stretched thin.

 

[4thgenheel]

During early development, the gonads of the fetus remain undifferentiated; that is, all fetal genitalia are the same and are pheno-typically female. After approximately 6 to 7 weeks of gestation, however, the expression of a gene on the Y chromosome induces changes that result in the development of the testes.

Looks like God created females first

this bit of SCIENCE! is hilarious in light of the right's obsessions with gender, personhood and fetal rights.

obsessed with giving full personhood rights to essentially intersex fetuses. that doesn't sound like one of the OnLy TwO sExEs!!!11!!

 

[UNCMSinLS]

During early development, the gonads of the fetus remain undifferentiated; that is, all fetal genitalia are the same and are pheno-typically female. After approximately 6 to 7 weeks of gestation, however, the expression of a gene on the Y chromosome induces changes that result in the development of the testes.

Looks like God created females first

Yeah, kind of puts a new spin on that old Adam's rib yarn.

 

[finesse]

Yeah, kind of puts a new spin on that old Adam's rib yarn.

That's only in the second of the Creation stories. You can always stick with the first one. Never did understand why they put the two entirely different stories back to back.