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GOP slouches into the Crazy -IMMIGRATION | Trump Firehose of anti-immigrant posts and rhetoric
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The Trump strategy is simple: if they get people thinking about immigration, they are thinking about Trump's best issue and it helps him.
But they miscalculated. What people are really thinking about is that Trump and Vance are assholes who are making fools of themselves and trying to gaslight voters. They didn't push immigration to the front of people's minds; they pushed their own incompetence to the front of people's minds.
They also committed a major political sin. For years the GOP messaging is about "the border." That's intentional. Almost nobody lives at the border. Talking about "the border" dehumanizes the issue. People don't have to think about the migrants in their own lives, because they have been trained to think about it in really abstract terms. So Trump and Vance come along and they bring "the border" home. Well, now they are humanizing the problem. We're not talking about abstract people any more. We're talking about people's doctors, or taxi cab drivers (I used to work in Princeton NJ , and all the cab companies there were Haitian), or customers, or restaurant staff -- and people just generally don't hate those people. I mean, the hardcore racists probably do, but I think we're seeing that you can't win a presidential race on hardcore racism alone.
By focusing the immigration issue on a specific place with specific people, they fucked up their messaging. They fucked up their framing. "The border" allows them to focus on "security" or "stopping trafficking" or any number of other issues that are not related to actual human beings. Hell, they can even say that gangs are pouring across the border, again because we're not talking about anyone specifically. But now they found actual people in an actual community and it turns out that the "illegal aliens" are not illegal and they are valued in the community and people generally like them. And it destroys the fear factor entirely. It allows journalists to go to Springfield and ask people about the Haitians, and then people say, the Haitians are wonderful and it blew up in their face.
AND, by doubling down and saying they will deport them, they are sending a message to all Americans: we intend to come for people in your community and send them back. Are they members of your church? Doesn't matter, they're gone. Do they run the landscaping business? Gone. Do they fix your flat tires? Doesn't matter, gone. This is not effective messaging. People don't want to go to their auto dealer, look at the mechanic and think, "I want him out of the country." Not swing voters anyway. They want him to fix their car, and if he does, then they are happy to have him. It's the hordes they want to keep out, but we're not talking about hordes any more.
But they miscalculated. What people are really thinking about is that Trump and Vance are assholes who are making fools of themselves and trying to gaslight voters. They didn't push immigration to the front of people's minds; they pushed their own incompetence to the front of people's minds.
They also committed a major political sin. For years the GOP messaging is about "the border." That's intentional. Almost nobody lives at the border. Talking about "the border" dehumanizes the issue. People don't have to think about the migrants in their own lives, because they have been trained to think about it in really abstract terms. So Trump and Vance come along and they bring "the border" home. Well, now they are humanizing the problem. We're not talking about abstract people any more. We're talking about people's doctors, or taxi cab drivers (I used to work in Princeton NJ , and all the cab companies there were Haitian), or customers, or restaurant staff -- and people just generally don't hate those people. I mean, the hardcore racists probably do, but I think we're seeing that you can't win a presidential race on hardcore racism alone.
By focusing the immigration issue on a specific place with specific people, they fucked up their messaging. They fucked up their framing. "The border" allows them to focus on "security" or "stopping trafficking" or any number of other issues that are not related to actual human beings. Hell, they can even say that gangs are pouring across the border, again because we're not talking about anyone specifically. But now they found actual people in an actual community and it turns out that the "illegal aliens" are not illegal and they are valued in the community and people generally like them. And it destroys the fear factor entirely. It allows journalists to go to Springfield and ask people about the Haitians, and then people say, the Haitians are wonderful and it blew up in their face.
AND, by doubling down and saying they will deport them, they are sending a message to all Americans: we intend to come for people in your community and send them back. Are they members of your church? Doesn't matter, they're gone. Do they run the landscaping business? Gone. Do they fix your flat tires? Doesn't matter, gone. This is not effective messaging. People don't want to go to their auto dealer, look at the mechanic and think, "I want him out of the country." Not swing voters anyway. They want him to fix their car, and if he does, then they are happy to have him. It's the hordes they want to keep out, but we're not talking about hordes any more.
lawtig02
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I’m about 99% sure you’re right here, and 100% hoping that’s the case. Seems to me like a desperate swing and miss on a ball in the dirt.
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“… It’s not clear what, exactly, Vance believes is “illegal” about the Biden administration granting and extending Temporary Protected Status to allow Haitians legal entry into the United States—beyond the fact that he wants to keep casting them as a threat to his constituents, rather than more constituents he ought to be serving.
“Who in this room, who is this country consented to allowing millions of aliens to come into this country unchecked, unvetted?” he said in Raleigh. “None of us did.” …”
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Hilariously, Trump famously loathes dogs and has never had a pet dog or cat.
Donald Trump Says It Would Be "a Little Phony" to Get a Dog Now
"How would I look walking a dog on the White House lawn?"
“After two years, one of the most persistent mysteries of Donald Trump‘s presidency is his unexplained aversion to pets. As it stands, he is one of only fourU.S. presidents not to have brought some sort of furry friend to the White House: Neither James K. Polk nor Andrew Johnson had any known pets (though Johnson did reportedly feed the mice he found around his bedroom), and Martin van Buren was given two tiger cubs as a gift while in office, but was forced by Congress to donate them to a zoo.
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According to Time, Trump was praising the abilities of drug-sniffing dogs at the U.S.’s southern border when he turned the attention to his own canine-free status. “You do love your dogs, don’t you? I wouldn’t mind having one, honestly, but I don’t have any time,” he said. “How would I look walking a dog on the White House lawn?” he continued, grimacing. “I don’t know…I don’t feel good. It feels a little phony, phony to me.”
Trump went on to say that, though he’s been repeatedly advised to get a pet, he doesn’t want to, claiming that the presence of a dog in his life would somehow taint his connection to his base, contradicting data showing that nearly 70 percent of American households own at least one pet. “A lot of people say, ‘Oh, you should get a dog.’ Why? ‘It’s good politically.’ I said, that’s not the relationship I have with my people,” he said.
Other reasons not mentioned during Monday’s rally include how an advisor once said Trump was “embarrassed” by Mike Pence’s “low-class” decision to move several of his many pets with him to Washington, D.C.; Ivana Trump’s revelation that her ex-husband is “not a dog fan”; and that, quite frankly, it’s difficult to imagine Trump taking care of anyone other than himself, let alone a helpless little puppy. …”
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Springfield, Ohio, Braces for a Possible Trump Visit, Though Details Are Scarce
Donald Trump promised to visit the city “in the next two weeks.” Some residents welcomed a visit, but others were opposed, as officials said preparations were underway.
Springfield, Ohio, Braces for a Possible Trump Visit, Though Details Are Scarce
Donald Trump promised to visit the city “in the next two weeks.” Some residents welcomed a visit, but others were opposed, as officials said preparations were underway.
"... Standing in line to pick up items at a mobile food pantry run by the nondenominational Central Christian church, Dave Ryan, 46, welcomed a Trump visit.
“I think it’s good if a soon-to-be president comes here to see how the Haitians are affecting people here and how to fix it,” Mr. Ryan said.
He said Mr. Trump needed to see the situation firsthand, adding, “The Haitians affect everyone. People are scared. Their way of life is different than ours.”
Ann Walters, who was volunteering at the food pantry, disagreed, and said Mr. Trump’s presence in Springfield would be bad for the city.
“I think there’s been enough attention already,” she said. “It would just create more violence and problems.” ..."
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"next two weeks" is usually Trumpese for "never"
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Ohio city’s mayor issues emergency order over false migrant rumors
Springfield mayor Rob Rue says the order will allow city officials to ‘acquire resources to address potential threats’
Ohio city’s mayor issues emergency order over false migrant rumors
Springfield mayor Rob Rue says the order will allow city officials to ‘acquire resources to address potential threats’
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It’s still Thursday somewhere
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For me it was the dynamic that the person standing in line for the handout was the Trump supporter while the person volunteering their time and energy was not.
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I'd love to ask Dave to explain exactly how Haitian immigrants are affecting his life and quality of life. My guess is he wouldn't be able to answer, because they haven't. So much for Christ's teaching about being welcoming of strangers. And this whole incident also shows the total hypocrisy of all these churches and Christian missionaries around the country who have traveled to Haiti over the years to help people there. In Haiti the citizens are poor people who need God's love and help from American Christians. But when they immigrate here these same Christians evidently want nothing to do with them, and almost no Evangelicals have spoken up in their defense.Springfield, Ohio, Braces for a Possible Trump Visit, Though Details Are Scarce
Donald Trump promised to visit the city “in the next two weeks.” Some residents welcomed a visit, but others were opposed, as officials said preparations were underway.
Springfield, Ohio, Braces for a Possible Trump Visit, Though Details Are Scarce
Donald Trump promised to visit the city “in the next two weeks.” Some residents welcomed a visit, but others were opposed, as officials said preparations were underway.www.nytimes.com
"... Standing in line to pick up items at a mobile food pantry run by the nondenominational Central Christian church, Dave Ryan, 46, welcomed a Trump visit.
“I think it’s good if a soon-to-be president comes here to see how the Haitians are affecting people here and how to fix it,” Mr. Ryan said.
He said Mr. Trump needed to see the situation firsthand, adding, “The Haitians affect everyone. People are scared. Their way of life is different than ours.”
Ann Walters, who was volunteering at the food pantry, disagreed, and said Mr. Trump’s presence in Springfield would be bad for the city.
“I think there’s been enough attention already,” she said. “It would just create more violence and problems.” ..."
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"next two weeks" is usually Trumpese for "never"
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aGDevil2k
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Great anti semitism event
WaynetheDrain
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He's picking up canned goods from a food shelter. Of course he's going to blame anyone but himself for his lot in life. Typical Trumpist asshole.
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I've decided that the Trump's potential visit to Springfield is because his campaign has realized that when voters hear Kama Harris' message she wins and he loses.
This is a conscious decision to suck all the oxygen out of the room so her voice can't get though. How much coverage of her recent interviews has broken through? Basically none.
Also, the "sometime in the next two weeks" is a deliberate stratagem. He's using the uncertainty and extended timeline to milk it for all it's worth.
This is a conscious decision to suck all the oxygen out of the room so her voice can't get though. How much coverage of her recent interviews has broken through? Basically none.
Also, the "sometime in the next two weeks" is a deliberate stratagem. He's using the uncertainty and extended timeline to milk it for all it's worth.
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“Florida man….”
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When they basically proclaimed they were going to get nasty from here out until the election, this is the exact strategy. Just take up all the airspace possible, and then treat that as if Harris is hiding out because the media doesnt want to cover normal, they want to cover batshit insanity.