Heels vs Horned Frogs

Icky Mettle said:
With this roster, the only difference between having Bill Belichick as coach vs. some lesser known coach is that, instead of us losing while no one outside of the fanbase pays attention, we’ll lose while more people pay attention and talk shit about Belichick. I don’t necessarily see how this hurts UNC’s football trajectory. Putting a shitty team on the field that people talk about really isn’t any worse than putting a shitty team on the field that nobody talks about.
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I agree but it still kinda sucks as a fan that we’re going to get our misery rubbed in from all sides lol.
 
OGtruthhurts said:
well im speaking about any competent high school or lower div coach. take the saved millions and buy the best players. fb coaching is not brain surgery.

i simply dont know why we keep trying the same thing over and over after failing over and over at doing it but i understand fans love shiny new things. just insane to keep doing the same thing with the same result. it doesnt work at unc so try something different goddammit
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We needed high financial commitment to CFB in the first place. And we have that right now. If we'd gotten Glenn S or Matt Campbell would the coffers have opened similarly? They definitely wouldn't have opened if we'd gotten some "nobody" coach. The money didn't do us much good since the Spring obviously... Step 1 - get financial commitment - DONE. Step 2 and 3, get good players and coach them up - TBD.
 
Batt Boy said:
He came too late to get any portal wins. What we got was the leftovers in the portal. Catching matters, but on the margins. Talent wins. We have little.
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And some of the leftovers were hurt - Aziah Johnson and Pryce Yates didn't play, Christo was obviously banged up. Not that they make a huge difference, but this roster is young and depleted we need all the help we can get.
 
gregh1 said:
We needed high financial commitment to CFB in the first place. And we have that right now. If we'd gotten Glenn S or Matt Campbell would the coffers have opened similarly? They definitely wouldn't have opened if we'd gotten some "nobody" coach. The money didn't do us much good since the Spring obviously... Step 1 - get financial commitment - DONE. Step 2 and 3, get good players and coach them up - TBD.
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You act as if that financial commitment is guaranteed to be ongoing. It isn't. Far from it. There are going to be a lot of people who were automatic givers in the past that are quickly going to turn into hard "no" moving foward for the reasons that CFord has already enumerated. It's as if none of y'all remember Matt Doherty alienating everyone in the Smith Center and how that turned out.
 
gregh1 said:
And some of the leftovers were hurt - Aziah Johnson and Pryce Yates didn't play, Christo was obviously banged up. Not that they make a huge difference, but this roster is young and depleted we need all the help we can get.
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thats bs people wouldve gotten behind thinking outside of the box. that product last night was pure horse shit. from coaching all the way to our slow players who had very little athleticism at all. they are not getting more athletic jfyi
 
wmheel1287 said:
You act as if that financial commitment is guaranteed to be ongoing. It isn't. Far from it. There are going to be a lot of people who were automatic givers in the past that are quickly going to turn into hard "no" moving foward for the reasons that CFord has already enumerated. It's as if none of y'all remember Matt Doherty alienating everyone in the Smith Center and how that turned out.
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We ended up forcing him out, hiring Roy Williams, and winning three national championships over the next 14 seasons!
 
Bill wasn't brought in to assure that the players won this game. He was brought in to make sure they learn from it.

It is imperative that the team improve over the course of the season. Mack2,0s never did. Have to set the table and retain our young talent like Bryce Baker.

Also TCU looked very good for an unranked team
 
We'll probably ride with Bill for a few years and then when he's too old we'll hire Nick Saban. Lather, rinse, repeat.
 
I think everyone needs to take a deep breath. This team isn’t going to be good. It wasn’t going to be good regardless of who was coaching. Anyone who believed otherwise had unrealistic expectations.

Last night’s game was the very first game of the season and Belichick’s very first game as UNC’s head coach (and as a college head coach). See how things unfold as the season progresses. Don’t expect the team to magically become a good team, but see if— and how much— they improve. Also see how Belichick and staff recruit. After that, assess how you view the future of UNC football. But that one game is, by itself, relatively insignificant.

I say all that as someone who did not think the Belichick hire was a particularly good one. I thought he was too old and he also lacked any college head coaching experience.
 
I definitely understand the “let’s wait and see how this all ends up before writing the obituary after one game” sentiment and I don’t fully disagree with is. I just think that a lot of folks in our fanbase aren’t fully grasping how precarious this whole thing has been from the get-go, with the chaotic search, the offseason off the field tumult, the fact that the University is essentially committing financial resources that it doesn’t have from the academic side to prop up this football experiment, the fact that there hasn’t been total buy-in from even some of the University’s longest-standing and most traditionally generous benefactors, and the general fact that we were already essentially living on borrowed time from day one that we hired a 73 year-old coach. This is all always been a house of cards of sorts. That’s not to say that it is predestined to fail- just that it has always been walking a very thin line. And last night went a long way towards validating all of the negative sentiment that this is yet another instance of UNC being all about “to seem rather than to be” in trying to win the presser with the splashy name hire.

I’m also not convinced that other coaching hires wouldn’t have received similar financial investment from UNC. The move was made on Mack Brown last November with the knowledge that UNC would have to pony up significantly more capital than we had been for football.
 
Icky Mettle said:
I think everyone needs to take a deep breath. This team isn’t going to be good. It wasn’t going to be good regardless of who was coaching. Anyone who believed otherwise had unrealistic expectations.

Last night’s game was the very first game of the season and Belichick’s very first game as UNC’s head coach (and as a college head coach). See how things unfold as the season progresses. Don’t expect the team to magically become a good team, but see if— and how much— they improve. Also see how Belichick and staff recruit. After that, assess how you view the future of UNC football. But that one game is, by itself, relatively insignificant.

I say all that as someone who did not think the Belichick hire was a particularly good one. I thought he was too old and he also lacked any college head coaching experience.
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Think that’s all very reasonable and level headed!
 
Batt Boy said:
He came too late to get any portal wins. What we got was the leftovers in the portal. Catching matters, but on the margins. Talent wins. We have little.
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To be fair, UNC had the #9 ranked portal class, so it’s not like we’re talking about minced meat here.

There is enough talent on this team to perform much better than what we saw last night.

Far too many unforced errors and self-inflicted mistakes. Botched snaps, unforced turnovers, dropped passes, missed assignments, missed tackles.

That stuff reflects more on the coaches for a lack of preparation and lack of discipline.
 
EyeballKid said:
To be fair, UNC had the #9 ranked portal class, so it’s not like we’re talking about minced meat here.

There is enough talent on this team to perform much better than what we saw last night.

Far too many unforced errors and self-inflicted mistakes. Botched snaps, unforced turnovers, dropped passes, missed assignments, missed tackles.

That stuff reflects more on the coaches for a lack of preparation and lack of discipline.
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yes and he missed on a lot of the top portal players.
 
CFordUNC said:
I'm 100% with @wmheel1287 and @ZZLPHeels on this- last night was something from which UNC football probably won't recover. I understand that probably sounds hyperbolic, dramatic, emotional, knee-jerk, prisoner-of-the-moment, or whatever. I don't think it is. That's not to say that UNC won't win football games, go to bowl games, even occasionally be competitive in the ACC title race. We may even do all three of those before this season is over- the schedule is that favorable. But I don't think we will ever, ever, ever again be in a spot where we were the darlings of the entire sports world, all by ourselves, on ESPN prime time, on Labor Day night, with the stadium packed to the gills, campus busting at the seams, Chapel Hill rocking like it was a men's basketball nationlal title game day, big-time celebrities (sports and otherwise) in attendance, College GameDay doing a live show from on our field for an entire hour before the game, Pat McAfee and Nick Saban taking selfies on our sideline, etc. It wasn't for Georgia, it wasn't for Alabama, it wasn't for Ohio State, it wasn't for Texas. It was for North Carolina.

And then not only did we lose, we completely and totally shit the bed in a way that I don't think any of us could have even foreseen in our most pessimistic outlooks. That wasn't just a loss. We were completely out-classed in quite literally every facet of the game, for 3.5 hours, in front of the entire sports universe. We quite literally looked like we'd never played organized football before. We didn't have to win the game. Heck, TCU was favored. A loss would have been completely understandable. And yet even with the bar set *that* low....we managed to dig a hole beneath the damn bar so that we could crawl under it.

UNC Football will never again be the center of the attention of the entire sports world like we were yesterday. We missed the opportunity of a lifetime. Again, none of if this is to say that the program won't win more games, play in more bowl games, land more good recruits, be on national television, etc. We will. It's just that we will do all of those things with the entire college football world knowing that we are a joke of a football program far more obsessed with style over substance, obsessed with winning the press conference instead of winning on the field.
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I don't disagree with what you've typed here, but what I really take from it is, "Carolina Football will never be the focus of so much undeserved hype again."

And maybe that's why what happened last night doesn't really bother me, I got past Carolina Football and undeserved hype a number of undeserved hypes ago. Yes, the undeserved hype had never previously been so high, but it'd also never been so undeserved.

I never thought that hiring Bill Belichick was going to be an overnight fix for the program. My take is that it is likely that he's only going to be around for ~3 seasons (maybe better expressed as 3 +/- 1 season) and my hope is that in those ~3 seasons he can build a fairly solid foundation for the program and fairly solid structure that another coach can then build upon toward longer success. I never thought it particularly likely that success would be had this year and certainly not last night, in particular. I've made my thoughts on here before that we seemingly have 6 win talent and a 10 win schedule, so I'm looking for an 8 win season. Last night may have made me question the 6 win talent, so maybe a short term readjustment of expectations is in order, but I don't know that that means we have to readjust the long term expectations for Belichick, to build a solid foundation and structure for a later coach to build upon. And, if that is the case, then last night may be embarrassing but it's not inherently a disaster.

I am interested in seeing how Belichick responds to last night's game. He could certainly throw in the towel and begin to give up or he could certainly double down and work harder. Based on what is known of him with Patriots, my expectation (and certainly my hope) is that he doubles down and works harder. And it is that reaction to the adversity we face after last night's game that will determine how the Belichick Era of Carolina Football turns out, not what happened last night.
 
We played like a team who has not yet come together as a team... which is hardly shocking considering how little time most of these guys have had together.

Belichick knows how to coach... sure the college game is new to him, but he's one of the all time great minds in coaching football. We will get better every week. This season may not be great, but he will build us toward something better.

His name/aura will pull in talent (so long as we continue to find the money), and we have to assume he will figure out college ball the same way he's figured out everything else to do with football his entire career.

We got spanked in game 1. It should not have been a surprise to anybody. It sucks, but let's not jump off a cliff over it.
 
SnoopRob said:
I don't disagree with what you've typed here, but what I really take from it is, "Carolina Football will never be the focus of so much undeserved hype again."

And maybe that's why what happened last night doesn't really bother me, I got past Carolina Football and undeserved hype a number of undeserved hypes ago. Yes, the undeserved hype had never previously been so high, but it'd also never been so undeserved.

I never thought that hiring Bill Belichick was going to be an overnight fix for the program. My take is that it is likely that he's only going to be around for ~3 seasons (maybe better expressed as 3 +/- 1 season) and my hope is that in those ~3 seasons he can build a fairly solid foundation for the program and fairly solid structure that another coach can then build upon toward longer success. I never thought it particularly likely that success would be had this year and certainly not last night, in particular. I've made my thoughts on here before that we seemingly have 6 win talent and a 10 win schedule, so I'm looking for an 8 win season. Last night may have made me question the 6 win talent, so maybe a short term readjustment of expectations is in order, but I don't know that that means we have to readjust the long term expectations for Belichick, to build a solid foundation and structure for a later coach to build upon. And, if that is the case, then last night may be embarrassing but it's not inherently a disaster.

I am interested in seeing how Belichick responds to last night's game. He could certainly throw in the towel and begin to give up or he could certainly double down and work harder. Based on what is known of him with Patriots, my expectation (and certainly my hope) is that he doubles down and works harder. And it is that reaction to the adversity we face after last night's game that will determine how the Belichick Era of Carolina Football turns out, not what happened last night.
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That’s all really well thought out and articulated. I’d love for it to play out that way.
 
EyeballKid said:
Far too many unforced errors and self-inflicted mistakes. Botched snaps, unforced turnovers, dropped passes, missed assignments, missed tackles.

That stuff reflects more on the coaches for a lack of preparation and lack of discipline.
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In game 1? How can it be a lack of discipline when literally there is no basis for assessment.
 
Well...that was underwhelming. Time is a luxury we don't have under Belichik. I was expecting a loss, but not that disaster on all sides of the ball.
 
EyeballKid said:
Far too many unforced errors and self-inflicted mistakes. Botched snaps, unforced turnovers, dropped passes, missed assignments, missed tackles.
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This^^^
If there was talent on the field, it didn’t shine through.
No signs of “well-coached” to be seen either.
Face it, it was a shit show all around on National TV in Prime Time on a National Holiday.
Nothing else matters re: that game.

In coach speak, it’s time to bury that one and move on quickly. Show the game film once, and burn it. No sense crying about spilt milk, even if it was a brand new, unopened gallon.
 
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