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BillOfRights said:
You have no idea what he meant by "deep dive". He may be talking about taking his director of analytics and meeting with NBA analytics departments to learn more about about what they do. You seem to always assume the lowest level of knowledge and ability from Carolina's staff.
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Perhaps I should be more positive on the job they've done....
 
4thgenheel said:
i don't believe that we have any sort of analytics staff at all let alone a director of analytics.

which is a huge problem.

eta: sounds like we have this: Conor Kerr is teaming up student statisticians with UNC’s varsity sports - College of Arts and Sciences

which is, imo, not nearly good enough for a program of our caliber.
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But, maybe they do have a robust analytics team, along with a director of analytics. I mean, HD/staff not tracking ppp doesn't mean that they are not fully invested into analytics. Just be more positive like BillOfRights.
 
Dean Smith likely originated “analytics.”

Might not have called it that.

Hubert Davis might or might not be a good college basketball coach. Odds are he is not!. Why? Most people who are college (or pro) coaches are not good.

Analytics as amateurs view the game likely has nothing to do with determining squat.

College sports (Men’s hoops and football) aren’t what it was when George Lynch played.

As a kid, I LOVED the Minnesota VIKINGS because they were the Vikings! They played in the COLD as men do! Their fans had helmets with horns. Their defense was the “Purple People Eaters.” I haven’t been a Vikings fan in decades and that has nothing to do with analytics,

Who is UNC football or basketball?

It’s not Steve Hale or Ken Huff or George Lynch.

I don’t begrudge players transferring each year or getting their money. It’s been a “get your money” system for DECADES (Mack 1.0 went to Texas in 1997).
 
Zoo_View said:
We’re now so far from that great class of Rusty Clark, Dick Grubar, and Bill Bunting joining the L&M Boys and a little later the GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT Charles Scott.

Or a young player becoming a stud……a Steve Previs or Bill Chamberlain or Darrell Elston or Dudley Bradley or Jimmy “Boss” Black or someone like Tom Zaliagiris or Pete Chilcutt or Steve Hale or Shammond Williams or Danny “MFDG” Green.

I don’t care if UNC acquires a good team for ‘25-‘26.

I’ll watch some of the games….maybe……I’ll turn the radio on so that I hear games out in the yard……it’ll have to be a big game and well-played to pull me inside to watch……..I’ll pull for the Heels…..hope they beat d00k and ncsulol.

I’ll definitely go to lacrosse and soccer and field hockey and baseball games. Definitely. Follow and cheer.

I don’t really give a shit about UNC football or basketball anymore.
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I’m getting closer than ever to this kind of apathy, based less on results and far more on the transactional state of college hoops in general. It’s all like a glorified pickup game now, where sure, you still want to win and hate to lose… but there’s far less of a bond to the team and the new faces just rotate in and out so fast. That makes it nearly impossible to invest the same kind of energy as before, and it even makes the highs feel less high, though the lows are less low which I guess is a silver lining.

That’s a big part of why I support Hubert despite some deficiencies. He hasn’t shown to be a consistently great coach nor a consistently bad coach, but he’s shown plenty of stretches of both. But not only am I not convinced anyone could do much better under the circumstances, but even if there were someone, it would likely only drive my apathy further. First of all, there’s nobody in the “family tree” who fits the bill and would necessarily be an improvement in any way, and it’s very possible things would get worse.

But more importantly, if they went away from the network of alums and brought in whoever else, I really just wouldn’t care as much. Maybe that would change with some encouraging seasons under his belt… but with no real connection to Dean or Roy, there would be a slight chance and small window for me to ever give much of a crap again. I didn’t go to UNC and don’t at all invest emotionally in the other sports, other than generally rooting for them and for the university in all things. My long and intense fandom comes from my deep appreciation for Dean, and later Roy, and how they lived and led. This is why I don’t really give a shit about a losing season or not making the tourney or not living up to old obsolete standards of glory days that’ll never return, at least not in the same ways. I’m realistic about the modern college hoops landscape, and for me, if Hubert is unable to bridge that old school with the new school, then that would be unfortunate, but it would be fine. Because it was done in a way Dean and Roy can be proud of, and in a way that comes directly from them.

And if he is unable to bridge it, then that’s likely the nail in the coffin for me as the type of deeply involved and engaged fanatic that I’ve been all these years. Which would be a bummer, but also ultimately fine. I’ll still enjoy and somewhat follow college hoops and the Heels I’m sure, but it’ll be hollow and no longer a part of me the way it was before.

That said, this thing ain’t over. And I won’t be looking at the records or stats or NIL coffers or portal wins or losses to determine my fandom. I’ll be looking at the guys who lace them up next season, and the guy holding the clipboard. And whether those guys show the kind of fight and fire and energy and growth and INTEGRITY — all of which are the things I signed on for as a kid, decades ago.
 
duluoz said:
I’m getting closer than ever to this kind of apathy, based less on results and far more on the transactional state of college hoops in general. It’s all like a glorified pickup game now, where sure, you still want to win and hate to lose… but there’s far less of a bond to the team and the new faces just rotate in and out so fast. That makes it nearly impossible to invest the same kind of energy as before, and it even makes the highs feel less high, though the lows are less low which I guess is a silver lining.

That’s a big part of why I support Hubert despite some deficiencies. He hasn’t shown to be a consistently great coach nor a consistently bad coach, but he’s shown plenty of stretches of both. But not only am I not convinced anyone could do much better under the circumstances, but even if there were someone, it would likely only drive my apathy further. First of all, there’s nobody in the “family tree” who fits the bill and would necessarily be an improvement in any way, and it’s very possible things would get worse.

But more importantly, if they went away from the network of alums and brought in whoever else, I really just wouldn’t care as much. Maybe that would change with some encouraging seasons under his belt… but with no real connection to Dean or Roy, there would be a slight chance and small window for me to ever give much of a crap again. I didn’t go to UNC and don’t at all invest emotionally in the other sports, other than generally rooting for them and for the university in all things. My long and intense fandom comes from my deep appreciation for Dean, and later Roy, and how they lived and led. This is why I don’t really give a shit about a losing season or not making the tourney or not living up to old obsolete standards of glory days that’ll never return, at least not in the same ways. I’m realistic about the modern college hoops landscape, and for me, if Hubert is unable to bridge that old school with the new school, then that would be unfortunate, but it would be fine. Because it was done in a way Dean and Roy can be proud of, and in a way that comes directly from them.

And if he is unable to bridge it, then that’s likely the nail in the coffin for me as the type of deeply involved and engaged fanatic that I’ve been all these years. Which would be a bummer, but also ultimately fine. I’ll still enjoy and somewhat follow college hoops and the Heels I’m sure, but it’ll be hollow and no longer a part of me the way it was before.

That said, this thing ain’t over. And I won’t be looking at the records or stats or NIL coffers or portal wins or losses to determine my fandom. I’ll be looking at the guys who lace them up next season, and the guy holding the clipboard. And whether those guys show the kind of fight and fire and energy and growth and INTEGRITY — all of which are the things I signed on for as a kid, decades ago.
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I hope Hubert Davis leads the Heels to the title in 2026.

I hope Seth Trimble and that undersized, hard-working productive post player with 3 names help lead the team’s future.
 
Yeah, there's reason I don't watch AAU games. The loss in interest in the college game is certainly due to the year-to-year nature of our respective teams.

But it's more than that - the growing conferences makes it impossible to follow other teams as well. I used to know every player on all nine ACC teams. I enjoyed the year-to-year development in the games of players like Vinny Hamilton, Steve Blake and Sam Cassell even when they weren't on my team.

It's hard to have an emotional investment when you have ephemeral connections to the cast of players.
 
So, only Cadeau and Washington are the only ones that have said they are leaving so far, right? I haven't seen anything else from anyone saying if they are leaving or staying.
 
duluoz said:
I’m getting closer than ever to this kind of apathy, based less on results and far more on the transactional state of college hoops in general. It’s all like a glorified pickup game now, where sure, you still want to win and hate to lose… but there’s far less of a bond to the team and the new faces just rotate in and out so fast. That makes it nearly impossible to invest the same kind of energy as before, and it even makes the highs feel less high, though the lows are less low which I guess is a silver lining.

That’s a big part of why I support Hubert despite some deficiencies. He hasn’t shown to be a consistently great coach nor a consistently bad coach, but he’s shown plenty of stretches of both. But not only am I not convinced anyone could do much better under the circumstances, but even if there were someone, it would likely only drive my apathy further. First of all, there’s nobody in the “family tree” who fits the bill and would necessarily be an improvement in any way, and it’s very possible things would get worse.

But more importantly, if they went away from the network of alums and brought in whoever else, I really just wouldn’t care as much. Maybe that would change with some encouraging seasons under his belt… but with no real connection to Dean or Roy, there would be a slight chance and small window for me to ever give much of a crap again. I didn’t go to UNC and don’t at all invest emotionally in the other sports, other than generally rooting for them and for the university in all things. My long and intense fandom comes from my deep appreciation for Dean, and later Roy, and how they lived and led. This is why I don’t really give a shit about a losing season or not making the tourney or not living up to old obsolete standards of glory days that’ll never return, at least not in the same ways. I’m realistic about the modern college hoops landscape, and for me, if Hubert is unable to bridge that old school with the new school, then that would be unfortunate, but it would be fine. Because it was done in a way Dean and Roy can be proud of, and in a way that comes directly from them.

And if he is unable to bridge it, then that’s likely the nail in the coffin for me as the type of deeply involved and engaged fanatic that I’ve been all these years. Which would be a bummer, but also ultimately fine. I’ll still enjoy and somewhat follow college hoops and the Heels I’m sure, but it’ll be hollow and no longer a part of me the way it was before.

That said, this thing ain’t over. And I won’t be looking at the records or stats or NIL coffers or portal wins or losses to determine my fandom. I’ll be looking at the guys who lace them up next season, and the guy holding the clipboard. And whether those guys show the kind of fight and fire and energy and growth and INTEGRITY — all of which are the things I signed on for as a kid, decades ago.
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The Golden Age is gone. It was fun while it lasted.

The greediness of the NCAA has come home to roost in a monumental way.
 
The women's team offense has dried up completely in the second quarter 11-0 UNC then they went 0 for 9 and now it is a 13-13 tie.
 
I find it interesting that Kansas, with a Hall of Fame coach, a war chest that ranks among the highest in college basketball, etc. is also having trouble navigating the NIL world.

I think everything will change in a handful of years but there’s going to be some damage along the way.
 
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