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“With Jackson on the floor this season, Carolina was outscored by 8 points. With Jackson not on the floor, Carolina outscored their opponents by 232 points.”

@BillOfRights - not doubting but others will - attribution?
 
donbosco said:
“With Jackson on the floor this season, Carolina was outscored by 8 points. With Jackson not on the floor, Carolina outscored their opponents by 232 points.”

@BillOfRights - not doubting but others will - attribution?
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I used Goheels.com box scores and 2024-25 UNC Tar Heels Men's Roster and Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com to input data into a spreadsheet that I updated after every game. I will post a screenshot of the spreadsheet when I get home tonight. I still haven't figured out how to post images from my Android phone to this forum.
 
BillOfRights said:
I used Goheels.com box scores and 2024-25 UNC Tar Heels Men's Roster and Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com to input data into a spreadsheet that I updated after every game. I will post a screenshot of the spreadsheet when I get home tonight. I still haven't figured out how to post images from my Android phone to this forum.
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goheels.com

37 NCAA2 Mississippi - University of North Carolina Athletics

37 NCAA2 Mississippi
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Page 47 lists +/- for all games before Mississippi. Their chart has Jackson +7, but they had an error early in the season that gave Jackson +5 more than their own box score for that game (and the numbers didn't add up) so he was actually +2 before Mississippi, and he was -10 against Mississippi, so -8 for the season.

ETA. the goheels +/- error was for the Notre Dame game, where the box score correctly has him -1, but the season stats list him at +4.
 
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BillOfRights said:
I used Goheels.com box scores and 2024-25 UNC Tar Heels Men's Roster and Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com to input data into a spreadsheet that I updated after every game. I will post a screenshot of the spreadsheet when I get home tonight. I still haven't figured out how to post images from my Android phone to this forum.
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BillOfRights said:
goheels.com

37 NCAA2 Mississippi - University of North Carolina Athletics

37 NCAA2 Mississippi
goheels.com goheels.com

Page 47 lists +/- for all games before Mississippi. Their chart has Jackson +7, but they had an error early in the season that gave Jackson +5 more than their own box score for that game (and the numbers didn't add up) so he was actually +2 before Mississippi, and he was -10 against Mississippi, so -8 for the season.
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That’s pretty bad but I think you’d still want him back.
 
If Ian’s freshman year didn’t meet expectations it wasn’t that far off imo. He was the team’s best offensive player for a stretch of the season. Just never built on it

He was mostly a victim of RJ’s 6th year and poor roster construction. When the team started to play really small he struggled

Would’ve loved to see the improvements next season at Carolina. But I can also understand why he’d want to give somewhere else a try
 
UNCatTech said:
What he play like?
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Poo
Heelsandeers said:
If Ian’s freshman year didn’t meet expectations it wasn’t that far off imo. He was the team’s best offensive player for a stretch of the season. Just never built on it

He was mostly a victim of RJ’s 6th year and poor roster construction. When the team started to play really small he struggled

Would’ve loved to see the improvements next season at Carolina. But I can also understand why he’d want to give somewhere else a try
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Yea, pretty much agree with all this.

I think with a true big, Caleb WIlson at the four, and Drake at the 3, *both* Elliot and Ian would have been batter-up for monster seasons. The rotations would have been stable and the roster perfect to maximize everyone's skills. Such a bummer.

Also, and apropos of nothing, I'm starting to get tired of the phrase "I wasn't getting developed" as an excuse for people transferring, not only from Carolina but all over the transfer portal.
 
TarSpiel said:
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Yea, pretty much agree with all this.

I think with a true big, Caleb WIlson at the four, and Drake at the 3, *both* Elliot and Ian would have been batter-up for monster seasons. The rotations would have been stable and the roster perfect to maximize everyone's skills. Such a bummer.

Also, and apropos of nothing, I'm starting to get tired of the phrase "I wasn't getting developed" as an excuse for people transferring, not only from Carolina but all over the transfer portal.
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Would have been nice to see what Cadeau, Jackson, Powell and Wilson could have done together. If Powell leaves then that means everyone is gone that Wilson thought he was going to come in to play with. And there's no guarantee that they are going to get players better than Cadeau, Jackson and Powell to replace them. That's why I don't get why some fans are glad they are leaving.
 
Heelsandeers said:
If Ian’s freshman year didn’t meet expectations it wasn’t that far off imo. He was the team’s best offensive player for a stretch of the season. Just never built on it

He was mostly a victim of RJ’s 6th year and poor roster construction. When the team started to play really small he struggled

Would’ve loved to see the improvements next season at Carolina. But I can also understand why he’d want to give somewhere else a try
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RJ is getting a sixth year?
 
TarSpiel said:
Poo


Yea, pretty much agree with all this.

I think with a true big, Caleb WIlson at the four, and Drake at the 3, *both* Elliot and Ian would have been batter-up for monster seasons. The rotations would have been stable and the roster perfect to maximize everyone's skills. Such a bummer.

Also, and apropos of nothing, I'm starting to get tired of the phrase "I wasn't getting developed" as an excuse for people transferring, not only from Carolina but all over the transfer portal.
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Yeah it’s an easy out. Blaming externals is a losing mentality.
 
TarSpiel said:
Also, and apropos of nothing, I'm starting to get tired of the phrase "I wasn't getting developed" as an excuse for people transferring, not only from Carolina but all over the transfer portal.
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Can you explain this more?

Because if I’m a player and I have any post-college dreams of playing pro-basketball (not just the NBA), why would I stay at a school where I feel like my development as a player is being hindered?
 
StrangePackage said:
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It appears that you are missing what is going on in CBB.

Just about every roster is turning over and a high % of athletes are claiming that they were not developed, not coached correctly, not put in the right situation, not playing enough, not getting paid enough, not getting enough shots, not appreciated enough, etc. and leaving for greener grass.

It’s amazing that this is happening to so many 18 and 19 year college athletes all at the same time isn’t it?
 
SnoopRob said:
Can you explain this more?

Because if I’m a player and I have any post-college dreams of playing pro-basketball (not just the NBA), why would I stay at a school where I feel like my development as a player is being hindered?
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I believe the poster was questioning whether "I'm not being developed" is an excuse for not putting in the work needed to develop.

Shammond Williams "developed" by shooting jumpers at the gym until midnight. While the coaching staff and the court opportunities play a role, if the player isn't going to put in the work off the court, it's not going to work.

Vince Carter, for instance, might have transferred after his freshman year in today's world. He wasn't getting enough opportunity, he might say. What actually needed to happen was for him to work harder on his shot, handle and defense. And to his credit, he did all that -- probably putting in extra hours all year long. Had he transferred, I suspect he would not have worked as hard; he would have found an easier way to get the PT he wanted. Like Cliff Rozier.

So, sure, transferring when development is blocked is not a problem. Using that as an excuse for not working benefits nobody.
 
Heelsandeers said:
If Ian’s freshman year didn’t meet expectations it wasn’t that far off imo. He was the team’s best offensive player for a stretch of the season. Just never built on it

He was mostly a victim of RJ’s 6th year and poor roster construction. When the team started to play really small he struggled

Would’ve loved to see the improvements next season at Carolina. But I can also understand why he’d want to give somewhere else a try
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Jackson was mostly the victim of his own defensive ineffectiveness.
 
Centerpiece said:
I'd take a top 25 ranking at the end of the regular season and a #6 seed right now (with no bubble watching) and be happy for it.
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I’d take 5 guys on the court battling like those two teams did last night, consistently over the whole season. Then I don’t give a crap what their record or ranking is. That’ll take care of itself.

I didn’t see a ton of that out of Ian Jackson, so I’m not shedding tears over his departure either. Culture. Bring in the dogs, no matter how many stars next to their names.
 
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