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IIRC, Ken Rosemond (a SR on the 1957 title team and Coach Smith’s first assistant coach) recruited Larry Miller.

Recruiting in 1964 was hugely different from today or recent decades. Players usually didn’t commit until their SR years and often not until after that season ended….many waited until May or graduation.

Miller was a late commitment. He appeared headed to d00k. Vic Bubas was dominating the ACC and was coming off his 2nd Final Four in 1964 (he’d add a third in ‘66). He won the regular season in ‘63-‘66 and ACC Tourney titles in ‘60, ‘63, ‘64, and ‘66. d00k’s basketball Wikipedia page is still embarrassingly bad when it comes to Pre-K history.

Bubas was also reeling in Pennsylvania high school talent hand-over-fist.

Here comes Larry Miller.

Ken Rosemond recruited Larry Miller hard. He recruited Mr. Miller even harder. The elder Miller liked beer at the end of the work day. Ken Rosemond was always appearing at the Miller home at the end of the day, Beer Thirty.

He didn’t just bring Mr. Miller beer. He sat on the porch and shared beers with Mr. Miller.

Ken Rosemond HATED beer.
 
Zoo_View said:
IIRC, Ken Rosemond (a SR on the 1957 title team and Coach Smith’s first assistant coach) recruited Larry Miller.

Recruiting in 1964 was hugely different from today or recent decades. Players usually didn’t commit until their SR years and often not until after that season ended….many waited until May or graduation.

Miller was a late commitment. He appeared headed to d00k. Vic Bubas was dominating the ACC and was coming off his 2nd Final Four in 1964 (he’d add a third in ‘66). He won the regular season in ‘63-‘66 and ACC Tourney titles in ‘60, ‘63, ‘64, and ‘66. d00k’s basketball Wikipedia page is still embarrassingly bad when it comes to Pre-K history.

Bubas was also reeling in Pennsylvania high school talent hand-over-fist.

Here comes Larry Miller.

Ken Rosemond recruited Larry Miller hard. He recruited Mr. Miller even harder. The elder Miller liked beer at the end of the work day. Ken Rosemond was always appearing at the Miller home at the end of the day, Beer Thirty.

He didn’t just bring Mr. Miller beer. He sat on the porch and shared beers with Mr. Miller.

Ken Rosemond HATED beer.
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Thanks for this story Zoo A Classic
 
What are the restrictions on getting professional players from the Euro leagues (or any other overseas leagues)? That the player hasn't graduated from college yet? I have no idea what those guys get paid but I bet US colleges can compete in that department...
 
hedge said:
What are the restrictions on getting professional players from the Euro leagues (or any other overseas leagues)? That the player hasn't graduated from college yet? I have no idea what those guys get paid but I bet US colleges can compete in that department...
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NIL changed the Euro ballgame. They can make 2x, 3x or more in college over Euro ball.

Of course, that means college stars like RJ actually take a pay cut when they graduate and go to Europe. Which suggests that one day the NCAA will be forced to remove the four-year eligibility rules due to antitrust. Maybe T-Hans can come back and add to his career totals.
 
Calheel said:
Which suggests that one day the NCAA will be forced to remove the four-year eligibility rules due to antitrust. Maybe T-Hans can come back and add to his career totals.
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This is actually kinda interesting. I wouldn't have minded having Bacot on last year's team. Or next year's. Or the next. Hmmm...
 
Calheel said:
NIL changed the Euro ballgame. They can make 2x, 3x or more in college over Euro ball.

Of course, that means college stars like RJ actually take a pay cut when they graduate and go to Europe. Which suggests that one day the NCAA will be forced to remove the four-year eligibility rules due to antitrust. Maybe T-Hans can come back and add to his career totals.
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That's taking antitrust way too far. Antitrust does not put entire product categories out of business. Without the four year eligibility rule, college sports is literally just a minor league and it's a huge overreach for antitrust law to destroy that. I don't care what the district courts are doing; I really have trouble believing any appeals court worth its salt would disregard the Regents case, which remains good law.
 
superrific said:
That's taking antitrust way too far. Antitrust does not put entire product categories out of business. Without the four year eligibility rule, college sports is literally just a minor league and it's a huge overreach for antitrust law to destroy that. I don't care what the district courts are doing; I really have trouble believing any appeals court worth its salt would disregard the Regents case, which remains good law.
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I would not use "good law" to describe any case decided before Alston in 2021. That is what opened the doors wide open. It is not at all clear to me why the 4 year restraint on earnings is a reasonable limitation. The coaches aren't so constrained. Minor league players aren't so constrained. There is no requirement to leave a school after four years (grad school can basically go forever). I am not making a prediction here. I don't know what the courts/Congress/collective bargaining will ultimately produce. That said, I do think the 4-year eligibility rule is squarely in the target zone.
 
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