Hubert Davis Catch-all - HUBERT OFFICIALLY OUT

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If part of their criticism of firing HD is that UNC is now on par with mid-level SEC programs, that doesn’t seem like a very persuasive argument for maintaining the status quo.
Exactly! How do you on one hand say that UNC should not have fired HD, while on the other talk about how the program has lost a step over the past few years? Who the fuck was leading the program as it was losing its place???
 
You can have those links to the history and the past without having them specifically through the head coach. There will still be people involved with UNC basketball who have those links back to the program history. I hope a new coach will retain at least one UNC alum as an assistant. I hope a new UNC coach will come in with a reverence for the history and tradition of the program and a desire to be a part of that history, not displace it. I hope former players will continue to be welcomed back as guests of the program, for summer pickup, etc.

Is it possible that a new coach could not do some of those things, and we truly could lose the feel of connection to the past? Sure, it's possible. But it's not a given, either, like some people seem to be treating it.

I don’t expect that the people doing the hiring will have any respect nor even much knowledge or understanding. I actually expect that if any of them do they will work to counter it and rather make UNC a regular historyless institution.
 
I don’t expect that the people doing the hiring will have any respect nor even much knowledge or understanding. I actually expect that if any of them do they will work to counter it and rather make UNC a regular historyless institution.
That’s been my take.
 
I don’t expect that the people doing the hiring will have any respect nor even much knowledge or understanding. I actually expect that if any of them do they will work to counter it and rather make UNC a regular historyless institution.
I think it is fair to have that concern as applies to Lee Roberts and after watching the shitshow that unfolded with the Belichick hire. But (1) there will not be any rogue BOT meddling this time, and (2) UNC bball has more powerful stakeholders than UNC football that are older and generally more likely to fall into the "family" camp. I have said over and over again that nothing is guaranteed but I would be absolutely gobsmacked if there is any significant voice among the decisionmakers who advocate for working directly counter to the history and tradition of UNC bball, which has long been one of our key selling points. It would be insane to not focus on that history and tradition when marketing this job.
 
Exactly! How do you on one hand say that UNC should not have fired HD, while on the other talk about how the program has lost a step over the past few years? Who the fuck was leading the program as it was losing its place???
Talking out of your ass without context of what was said.

What was said was essentially:

1) “HD got shafted,” agreed upon by the studio crew
2) “I hope they’re not expecting coaches, especially non ‘family’ to be lining up for that job,” for several reasons. Agreed upon by the studio crew
 
Just saying, haven’t heard anything from the other side outside of this board.

Not great when the national voices don’t like what you did, how and when you did it, or the prospects for doing better than HD.

Whether or not they’re right is irrelevant when you’re getting disparaged in front of the college basketball world on the biggest stages.

Something many didn’t consider the possibility of happening.

Honest question: Is this your first time experiencing a coach being fired before their contract is up? Have you never paid attention when its happened at other schools? The media, in case you weren't aware, is made up largely of ex-coaches and players, will ALWAYS side with the guy that was fired. They never side with the administration when this happens. To the media, the administration is always the bad guy, because they have to make decisions based on profit and revenue, not emotional ones based on what a nice guy the coach seems to be.

Hubert Davis is a perfectly nice person, but a mediocre coach. Full stop. That may be good enough for a mid major, but it's not good enough for the University of North Carolina.

During his time at UNC, ask yourself this: What was our offensive identity? Were we an outside-in team that relied more on the three? Were we an inside-out team that pounded the glass and scored in the paint? Were we a running team that would kill you in transition? A meticulous half-court offense that could carve you up? It's impossible to answer the question because it changed yearly due to Hubert's inability to recruit in a way that allowed him to develop a coherent, consistent identity on that side of the court.

Now, he was able to create a defensive identity: a soft, switch-everything, low-pressure defense that created few turnovers and wasn't particularly good at defensive rebounding. That part was consistent as hell.

With the exception of Hubert's 2024 team, which I feel should have put him at the top of the list for national COTY, his teams played inconsistently game to game, inconsistently minute to minute, and rarely could put together a full 40 minutes of cohesive basketball. And when the team would go through one of those long droughts, there was never the belief that they'd be rescued by their head coach. That Hubert would call the timeout, make the right substitution for the tired players, draw up a good play, and make an in-game adjustment to change the tide. Nope, as our season was fading away against VCU, the only thing we saw was Hubert sweating on the sideline, clueless what to do to stop VCU from scoring every single time down the court, while not a single fresh body was sent to the scorer's table to check in.

And the biggest problem with Hubert? If someone had asked him the question, "Do you think you're getting the results as a coach that are expected by this University?" He'd say, "Yes I do." The man's inability to accept responsibility and acknowledge the problem right in front of him is what eventually did him in.

Hubert is a great Tar Heel. But as a coach? He's basically Matt Doherty if Matt Doherty was a nice guy who got along with his players.
 
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Honest question: Is this your first time experiencing a coach being fired before their contract is up? Have you never paid attention when its happened at other schools? The media, in case you weren't aware, is made up largely of ex-coaches and players, will ALWAYS side with the guy that was fired. They never side with the administration when this happens. To the media, the administration is always the bad guy, because they have to make decisions based on profit and revenue, not emotional ones based on what a nice guy the coach seems to be.

Hubert Davis is a perfectly nice person, but a mediocre coach. Full stop. That may be good enough for a mid major, but it's not good enough for the University of North Carolina.

During his time at UNC, ask yourself this: What was our offensive identity? Were we an outside-in team that relied more on the three? Were we an inside-out team that pounded the glass and scored in the paint? Were we a running team that would kill you in transition? A meticulous half-court offense that could carve you up? It's impossible to answer the question because it changed yearly due to Hubert's inability to recruit in a way that allowed him to develop a coherent, consistent identity on that side of the court.

Now, he was able to create a defensive identity: a soft, switch-everything, low-pressure defense that created few turnovers and wasn't particularly good at defensive rebounding. That part was consistent as hell.

With the exception of Hubert's 2024 team, which I feel should have put him at the top of the list for national COTY, his teams played inconsistently game to game, inconsistently minute to minute, and rarely could put together a full 40 minutes of cohesive basketball. And when the team would go through one of those long droughts, there was never the belief that they'd be rescued by their head coach. That Hubert would call the timeout, make the right substitution for the tired players, draw up a good play, and make an in-game adjustment to change the tide. Nope, as our season was fading away against VCU, the only thing we saw was Hubert sweating on the sideline, clueless what to do to stop VCU from scoring every single time down the court, while not a single fresh body was sent to the scorer's table to check in.

And the biggest problem with Hubert? If someone had asked him the question, "Do you think you're getting the results as a coach that are expected by this University?" He'd say, "Yes I do." The man's inability to accept responsibility and acknowledge the problem right in front of him is what eventually did him in.

Hubert is a great Tar Heel. But as a coach? He's basically Matt Doherty if Matt Doherty was a nice guy who got along with his players.
Tell us how you really feel
 
Honest question: Is this your first time experiencing a coach being fired before their contract is up? Have you never paid attention when its happened at other schools? The media, in case you weren't aware, is made up largely of ex-coaches and players, will ALWAYS side with the guy that was fired. They never side with the administration when this happens. To the media, the administration is always the bad guy, because they have to make decisions based on profit and revenue, not emotional ones based on what a nice guy the coach seems to be.

Hubert Davis is a perfectly nice person, but a mediocre coach. Full stop. That may be good enough for a mid major, but it's not good enough for the University of North Carolina.

During his time at UNC, ask yourself this: What was our offensive identity? Were we an outside-in team that relied more on the three? Were we an inside-out team that pounded the glass and scored in the paint? Were we a running team that would kill you in transition? A meticulous half-court offense that could carve you up? It's impossible to answer the question because it changed yearly due to Hubert's inability to recruit in a way that allowed him to develop a coherent, consistent identity on that side of the court.

Now, he was able to create a defensive identity: a soft, switch-everything, low-pressure defense that created few turnovers and wasn't particularly good at defensive rebounding. That part was consistent as hell.

With the exception of Hubert's 2024 team, which I feel should have put him at the top of the list for national COTY, his teams played inconsistently game to game, inconsistently minute to minute, and rarely could put together a full 40 minutes of cohesive basketball. And when the team would go through one of those long droughts, there was never the belief that they'd be rescued by their head coach. That Hubert would call the timeout, make the right substitution for the tired players, draw up a good play, and make an in-game adjustment to change the tide. Nope, as our season was fading away against VCU, the only thing we saw was Hubert sweating on the sideline, clueless what to do to stop VCU from scoring every single time down the court, while not a single fresh body was sent to the scorer's table to check in.

And the biggest problem with Hubert? If someone had asked him the question, "Do you think you're getting the results as a coach that are expected by this University?" He'd say, "Yes I do." The man's inability to accept responsibility and acknowledge the problem right in front of him is what eventually did him in.

Hubert is a great Tar Heel. But as a coach? He's basically Matt Doherty if Matt Doherty was a nice guy who got along with his players.

Good riddance to mediocrity.

70% win percentage over 5 years, 4 tourney appearances, a #1 seed and sweet 16, and a couple late injuries away from a natty.

Mediocre. Good riddance.
 
Talking out of your ass without context of what was said.

What was said was essentially:

1) “HD got shafted,” agreed upon by the studio crew
2) “I hope they’re not expecting coaches, especially non ‘family’ to be lining up for that job,” for several reasons. Agreed upon by the studio crew
How was he shafted if it wasn't for being let go when they didn't think he should? Why are folks not lining up for the job, if it's not because some of luster has worn off? What were the reasons then?
 
I can't believe anyone is seriously still arguing Hubert was getting results up to UNC's standard, but here's an excellent analysis of how he clearly wasn't:


The standard slipping isn't only Hubert's fault. It started before he became the HC, which is why Roy basically fired himself. He just wasn't restoring it to where we needed to be.
 
70% win percentage over 5 years, 4 tourney appearances, a #1 seed and sweet 16, and a couple late injuries away from a natty.

Mediocre. Good riddance.
He had two years with Roy's players. One of which he went to the National Championship game and one in which he didn't even make the tourney.

If not for the 2024 team, his winning percentage would have been unacceptable by anyone's standards. I really wanted him to make it here more than most. But by the time we concluded that California trip this year, I knew his days were numbered, even though I expected him to survive maybe one more season after this.
 
He had two years with Roy's players. One of which he went to the National Championship game and one in which he didn't even make the tourney.

If not for the 2024 team, his winning percentage would have been unacceptable by anyone's standards. I really wanted him to make it here more than most. But by the time we concluded that California trip this year, I knew his days were numbered, even though I expected him to survive maybe one more season after this.
Haha “if not for these pesky stats that undermine my point then THESE stats would matter more!” Brilliant work.
 
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