Hubert Davis Catch-all - HUBERT OFFICIALLY OUT

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Frankly, a large part of it for me is that I'm 74. It's an absolute fact that while there is an argument that changing coaches will be better in the long run, it's also a fact that with the progress we made just this year, the best odds of us getting back to that level in my remaining lifetime was with Hubert. Yes, it did mean that we also lost some connections to the past that has meant a lot to me and others. That also mattered.

When you revel in the glories of the past and how Hubert let you down, sometimes think that he took over a struggling program at a time that damned near everything that gave UNC a recruiting advantage was negated by the NIL and transfer changes. He also ended up with a talented but misfit group that he had for an extra year because of Covid before he could start giving more of his own identity to the team. Tell me that the talent level has been the same over the last seven years.

Don't get me wrong, I had the same kinds of hopes. I just didn't have the same kinds of expectations. I was a little disappointed in his stubbornness about the GM although that apparently could have been a better fit. It was still a step in the right direction.

Oh well, we'll see if it was worth it.
I get your worry, but I don't see how you can assume we'd get back to elite status quicker under HD than another coach (definitely not a fact). HD's historical T-rank (going from his first game to CWilson's injury) is 21, while this year with a full roster (tOSU - Miami) HD's T-rank is 33. You also have to take into account that so many donors had pulled out that HD would not have been able to field a competitive team next year (according to IC). It is far more likely that next year would be far worse than this year.
 
Well said. The depths to defend at best a mediocre coach is bizarre just because he is an alumn and "true" family. Should Manek be considered "family"? Or Ingram? We can have great people in the program and be considered family even if they didn't graduate from UNC, nor have any prior ties.
You're missing the point.
 
I 100% understand the "other sides" point of view and don't completely disagree with it.

I don't get the ferocity and mindset of some but I get what they are hoping for.
agreed. i see both sides.

this thread got craaazy overnight.

it really sucks that it didn't work out with HD but the results simply were not good enough and continuing down that road was highly unlikely to get better.

it is hard to let go of the "all in the family" era but our golden goose, blueblood men's basketball program shouldn't be mismanaged / neglected in the name of nostalgia.

no one will care about our history and tradition if we aren't successful. we'll go the way of indiana and ucla. has beens.
 
I don't get the people saying UNC should have kept Hubert because things were okay and it could get worse with a different coach. Yeah, maybe it could. But if you strive for a certain standard then you can't stick with mediocrity and not make a change because of the fear it might get even worse.
 
I did answer the question you f’ing clown. I would take the exact same results over what I expect to be in store.
You can't just stay with things being okay when you have already set a standard of being elite. You can't be afraid to take a risk and make a change because of the fear it might get worse. It might, but if you really want to be elite you have to take a risk and make changes.
 
Why are y'all STILL arguing about HD? You didn't get it out of your system over the last three months? Hell, the last three years?

He is no longer the coach. That ship has sailed.

Also, all the arguments have reduced to empirical predictions. At some point, you have to just see what happens. This is why scientists run experiments, instead of try to divine truth through argument.
 
I did answer the question you f’ing clown. I would take the exact same results over what I expect to be in store.
No, you didn’t. Saying that you would take A over B is not the same as saying that you would be fine with A.

My question didn’t have any choices. It was asking if you would be fine with the exact same results for the next five years.
 
No, you didn’t. Saying that you would take A over B is not the same as saying that you would be fine with A.

My question didn’t have any choices. It was asking if you would be fine with the exact same results for the next five years.
First you should provide a coaching related reason if you want it about basketball. There is nor reason to expect the same five years and a number to expect better.

It's moot, anyway. He's been fired and even if he hadn't, he had apparently lost the donors so from that POV he couldn't recover.
 
Why are y'all STILL arguing about HD? You didn't get it out of your system over the last three months? Hell, the last three years?

He is no longer the coach. That ship has sailed.

Also, all the arguments have reduced to empirical predictions. At some point, you have to just see what happens. This is why scientists run experiments, instead of try to divine truth through argument.
The discussion about HD has certainly not ended. There will be postmortems and new revelations regarding his tenure and new developments concerning his future and the future of the program which relate to him. Those things are certainly valid topics of discussion.

Heck, we still had a short discussion of Doh over the last 10 pages or so and he's been gone over 20 years. it happens. Of course, after that amount of time, the discourse around Doh is fairly set and no longer very radioactive.

Until the dust settles a bit, the discussion around HD is going to continue and it's going to be about like it has been. I can certainly understand that some folks may not want to participate any longer, but that doesn't mean the discussion will end.
 
Everyone wants UNC to win more titles but some would prefer it be done in a dignified way. Is that unreasonable?

I'm a little surprised that so many here don't understand that UNC basketball is a lot more than wins and losses to some people.

It could be that true that UNC has to be fully immersed in the new ecosystem to be ultra elite but that doesn't mean everyone has to be thrilled by it.
But…the new system IS legal. You are hereby absolved of this guilt you carry. You are allowed to have a beer and watch your favorite team collect 2-3 one and done lads and some kids ranked 30-40 that you don’t pay as much but that might stick around so you have a well balanced squad that is both uber talented and blessed with leadership.

Believe it or not THERE ARE OTHER HUMANS that are great at this that weren’t coached by Coach Smith or Coach Williams.


And speaking of that. If the pay for play Wild West reality is what you feel is this major sin you can’t bring yourself support. Was it really THAT easy for you to overlook that sin because a guy that played for Dean Smith 30 years ago was paying Caleb Wilson? Cuz I know you were cheering your buns off for that kid.

There are almost as many holes in this doctrine as Christianity.


This isn’t to say that I don’t understand being sad about losing the connection. But god damn. It’s basketball.
 
There is no reason to expect the same five years and a number to expect better.
i disagree with this and don't really see any evidence that supports it.

the overarching theme of HD's tenure was inconsistency.

2022 was a tale of two seasons, we were awful until late jan / early feb and then went on a run that will forever etch HD in carolina coaching lore despite the way his tenure ended. 2023 was a shockingly bad dumpster fire. we had a very good season in 2024 and then backslid mightily last season. this season we were better but even with a healthy caleb wilson (who isn't walking through that door for the 26/27 season) we were a 4-5 seed and not a real contender.

there is simply no empirical evidence that points to "better" moving forward.
 
Anyway, I need to take my dookie ass off this thread because this is a family affair.

Believe it or not, I’d actually like yall to make a great hire. I’ve always reveled in this rivalry with both white hot hate and a healthy respect.

Grab a great coach. I’m sick of worrying about playing you before the ACC final.
 
But…the new system IS legal. You are hereby absolved of this guilt you carry. You are allowed to have a beer and watch your favorite team collect 2-3 one and done lads and some kids ranked 30-40 that you don’t pay as much but that might stick around so you have a well balanced squad that is both uber talented and blessed with leadership.

Believe it or not THERE ARE OTHER HUMANS that are great at this that weren’t coached by Coach Smith or Coach Williams.


And speaking of that. If the pay for play Wild West reality is what you feel is this major sin you can’t bring yourself support. Was it really THAT easy for you to overlook that sin because a guy that played for Dean Smith 30 years ago was paying Caleb Wilson? Cuz I know you were cheering your buns off for that kid.

There are almost as many holes in this doctrine as Christianity.


This isn’t to say that I don’t understand being sad about losing the connection. But god damn. It’s basketball.
Says the guy with a Coach K avatar...

:p
 
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