Hubert Davis Catch-all

[Calheel]

There's definitely interest. First time this position has been really open in like 70 years. The good thing is that the portal opens later this year (after the championship game), so we can afford to wait a week (max 2 weeks) to get a coach. Backchanneling is already happening.

The position was very much open in 2000 when Gut retired and Roy said no. There was a full search before we settled on Matt.

Obviously, there was a strong preference for family candidates, which does not seem to be an issue this go round. But it was a real open search. Matt was no shoe-in for the job.

 

[Meatloaf=Steak]

Don’t let your meatloaf. I was just commenting on others who said the athletic department is strapped for cash… That’s not necessarily my take just responding to that chatter.

The biggest myth on internet messageboards is that Uni's can't pay this and can't pay that. It's they don't want to pay it, but would never say that because the donations would slow down. Easier for a televangelist to cry and moan on TV and beg for your money than to say they have plenty.

 

[wmheel1287]

The position was very much open in 2000 when Gut retired and Roy said no. There was a full search before we settled on Matt.

Obviously, there was a strong preference for family candidates, which does not seem to be an issue this go round. But it was a real open search. Matt was no shoe-in for the job.

Yeah, but dick baddour was running that search

 

[SnoopRob]

The position was very much open in 2000 when Gut retired and Roy said no. There was a full search before we settled on Matt.

Obviously, there was a strong preference for family candidates, which does not seem to be an issue this go round. But it was a real open search. Matt was no shoe-in for the job.

My recall of that process is pretty hazy given that it was 26 years ago and I was out of the country for the whole thing.

Do you remember all the folks we interviewed/seriously considered for the role before hiring Doh?

 

[heelinhell]

I 100% doubt we'll have the new coach lined up when we announce HD's future.

My hunch is that we're working out all the details of his resignation and trying to do so in a way that allows him and the Carolina Family a chance to have a little space throughout the process.

While there is a need to not let this hang on indefinitely, there's no reason to rush the process just to get this part done a day or two earlier if that means more hurt feelings or upset folks.

If this is the case, wouldn't it make more sense to do this negotiation with CHD quietly and not essentially announce beforehand to the public that Hubie is gone before we even have his replacement nailed down ? If we would negotiate the end deal quietly, it would allow CHD to announce and frame his retirement with honor and dignity.

But our current athletic administration and future NASCAR athletic administration has no fucking clue.

I see organizing the exit of CHD with no clue who will replace him with the Uncle Bill fiasco last year is where fans need to focus rather than go giddy about what coach we may hire in the years ahead in basketball and football.

 

[wmheel1287]

My recall of that process is pretty hazy given that it was 26 years ago and I was out of the country for the whole thing.

Do you remember all the folks we interviewed/seriously considered for the role before hiring Doh?

Roy was the entire list. Mr Baddour is an amazing person and a good administrator but he was horrible with coaching searches. He had no idea what to do or who to talk to.

 

[Peppers49]

I guess. I don’t think it’s necessary to have the new coach lined up before this gets done.

I’m fine with UNC taking its time working through the details of the separation before announcing it, as long as we don’t get more high profile alums coming out with statements like Larry Brown’s.

These people are more than entitled to show support for Hubert both publicly and privately, but imo there are better ways to go about that than what Larry Brown did. The timing and tone of the message feels inappropriate and doesn’t do any favors for anyone involved.

The only way this gets messy is if Hubert himself drags his feet (though I don’t see any reason to believe that he has done that to this point or will in the coming days) or if more high profile names start speaking out with a similar message as Larry Brown.

 

[nycfan]

My recall of that process is pretty hazy given that it was 26 years ago and I was out of the country for the whole thing.

Do you remember all the folks we interviewed/seriously considered for the role before hiring Doh?

We interviewed a few folks on a not serious basis (Randy Weil for instance). Seriously talked to George Karl but the NBA team owner wouldn’t let him out of his contract.

Larry Brown campaigned hard for the job but ended up certain PTB couldn’t overcome his history of NCAA violations and Baddour flew out to tell him he would not be offered the job.

Rick Pitino wrote Dean a long, hand-written letter about how he could be perfect for the job and still continue the Carolina family approach, but never got any serious consideration.

But that was all after Roy said no. Everyone had assumed Roy would take the offer and there was not a Plan B until the “I’m staying” presser at KU.

 

[superrific]

We interviewed a few folks on a not serious basis (Randy Weil for instance). Seriously talked to George Karl but the NBA team owner wouldn’t let him out of his contract.

I had thought that Karl had an out in his contract that would let him leave for UNC, but the PTB just weren't sold on the NBA->College transition.

 

[GoHeelsweeeehoooo]

We interviewed a few folks on a not serious basis (Randy Weil for instance). Seriously talked to George Karl but the NBA team owner wouldn’t let him out of his contract.

Larry Brown campaigned hard for the job but ended up certain PTB couldn’t overcome his history of NCAA violations and Baddour flew out to tell him he would not be offered the job.

Rick Pitino wrote Dean a long, hand-written letter about how he could be perfect for the job and still continue the Carolina family approach, but never got any serious consideration.

But that was all after Roy said no. Everyone had assumed Roy would take the offer and there was not a Plan B until the “I’m staying” presser at KU.

I've always wondered if the Rick Pitino story was true


Also didn't Dean Smith push for Rick Majerus to at least be considered?

 

[SnoopRob]

If this is the case, wouldn't it make more sense to do this negotiation with CHD quietly and not essentially announce beforehand to the public that Hubie is gone before we even have his replacement nailed down ? If we would negotiate the end deal quietly, it would allow CHD to announce and frame his retirement with honor and dignity.

But our current athletic administration and future NASCAR athletic administration has no fucking clue.

I see organizing the exit of CHD with no clue who will replace him with the Uncle Bill fiasco last year is where fans need to focus rather than go giddy about what coach we may hire in the years ahead in basketball and football.

If Carolina is to run a real search, it will never stay quiet. So if you don't announce HD's departure, once the rumors of us looking around start flying, it looks like we're working to replace him behind his back before we've discussed the situation with him.

Hell, the PTB can't even have a "private" discussion with the big money donors about HD's future without it becoming public and discussed.

College ADs have so many stakeholders involved in these decisions they inevitably leak like sieve. There's no way to do hardly any, much less all, of a coach replacement process in secret unless you cut out 98% of the typical stakeholders, which we can't do here. It's just not a feasible way to run things in our media-saturated time.

 

[SnoopRob]

We interviewed a few folks on a not serious basis (Randy Weil for instance). Seriously talked to George Karl but the NBA team owner wouldn’t let him out of his contract.

Larry Brown campaigned hard for the job but ended up certain PTB couldn’t overcome his history of NCAA violations and Baddour flew out to tell him he would not be offered the job.

Rick Pitino wrote Dean a long, hand-written letter about how he could be perfect for the job and still continue the Carolina family approach, but never got any serious consideration.

But that was all after Roy said no. Everyone had assumed Roy would take the offer and there was not a Plan B until the “I’m staying” presser at KU.

Thanks for all of that detail!

 

[heelinhell]

My recall of that process is pretty hazy given that it was 26 years ago and I was out of the country for the whole thing.

Do you remember all the folks we interviewed/seriously considered for the role before hiring Doh?

It had nothing to do with interviewing candidates.
The plan was to max out coach Gut's state retirement and then pass the torch to Roy. Unfortunately Roy didn't accept the torch
The back up was Larry Brown but our AD nixed that plan
And then another coach we reached out to was Rick Majerus

So then we went to hire Doh who had success at ND and did have initial success at UNC but his arrogant personality did him in.

 

[wmheel1287]

It had nothing to do with interviewing candidates.
The plan was to max out coach Gut's state retirement and then pass the torch to Roy. Unfortunately Roy didn't accept the torch
The back up was Larry Brown but our AD nixed that plan
And then another coach we reached out to was Rick Majerus

So then we went to hire Doh who had success at ND and did have initial success at UNC but his arrogant personality did him in.

Make no mistake...Doherty can coach. He is also the most abrasive asshole I have ever had the displeasure of knowing personally. Id rather have dinner with Donald Trump than spend 5 minutes with Matt.

 

[SnoopRob]

I’m fine with UNC taking its time working through the details of the separation before announcing it, as long as we don’t get more high profile alums coming out with statements like Larry Brown’s.

These people are more than entitled to show support for Hubert both publicly and privately, but imo there are better ways to go about that than what Larry Brown did. The timing and tone of the message feels inappropriate and doesn’t do any favors for anyone involved.

The only way this gets messy is if Hubert himself drags his feet (though I don’t see any reason to believe that has done that to this point or will in the coming days) or if more high profile names start speaking out with a similar message as Larry Brown.

I agree with all of this.

These are multi-million dollar contracts with a whole lot of stakeholders involved, it's gonna take a few days to sort out. Particularly when we want/need everyone on the same page and saying all the right things.

I agree that Larry's statement wasn't helpful in any regard. If this turns into a public fight, then everyone loses and no one wins. I'm hopeful that perhaps some others can help everyone keep their emotions (and statements) in check and that things can be done with as much grace and dignity as possible.

 

[Calheel]

My recall of that process is pretty hazy given that it was 26 years ago and I was out of the country for the whole thing.

Do you remember all the folks we interviewed/seriously considered for the role before hiring Doh?

Baddour gave a lip service interview to Larry Brown in LA, and Larry is still bitter about that.

We also kicked the tires on Eddie Fogler (Art Chansky pushed for that)

Dean supposedly lobbied for Rick Majerus but do not believe that ever reached the phone call stage.

There was a shirt made by Duke fans at the time that had a list of all the people that had supposedly turned down the job, even though Roy was the only one besides Matt who was formally offered. I think others, like George Karl, simply said they were not interested at the time.

 

[RaiGuy]

One name that is moving up my list is Ben McCollum. He is a very intriguing option if we aren't able to get a Tier 1 coach for some reason (Stevens, Lloyd, Dusty May)

 

[GoHeelsweeeehoooo]

I'm pretty sure George Karl was interested but he was the Coach for the Milwaukee Bucks at the time and the owner wouldn't let him interview

 

[Calheel]

I agree with all of this.

These are multi-million dollar contracts with a whole lot of stakeholders involved, it's gonna take a few days to sort out. Particularly when we want/need everyone on the same page and saying all the right things.

I agree that Larry's statement wasn't helpful in any regard. If this turns into a public fight, then everyone loses and no one wins. I'm hopeful that perhaps some others can help everyone keep their emotions (and statements) in check and that things can be done with as much grace and dignity as possible.

Larry has rarely weighed what was best for UNC before making decisions.

 

[RaiGuy]

The position was very much open in 2000 when Gut retired and Roy said no. There was a full search before we settled on Matt.

Obviously, there was a strong preference for family candidates, which does not seem to be an issue this go round. But it was a real open search. Matt was no shoe-in for the job.

I think it was always going to be a "family" hire. I don't think they were serious about other candidates and settled for Doherty pretty quickly. I think this time will truly be the one where they aren't considering family coaches.