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April Fool's Day - appropriate.
Naturally, I encourage y'all to keep Hubert.
I'm hearing Nate Oats will be a target.
Hubert Davis Catch-all
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Naturally, I encourage y'all to keep Hubert.
I'm hearing Nate Oats will be a target.
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This sounds like an excellent reason to retire...
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If I remember right, Roy announced retirement on April Fool's Day.
To reduce the buyout? Not a lawyer and I believe you are, so you are the expert here, but I’d think that HD would have a case to collect the difference, right?
How? He’d have the job through April 1.
Edit - but that is one of those details that usually gets negotiated out
Because they would have made the decision to fire him and start interviewing replacements prior to April 1, and only terminated on April 1 to reduce his buyout. Sees to me HD would have an argument. Not saying he’d win. But again you are the expert and if there is precedent here I would concede.
Yeah definitely agree. It’s obviously not my money, but a few million is chump change in a situation like this. It might be much more costly in terms of negative attention if UNC draws the line in the sand over that and makes this messier than it needs to be.
You like the reminder of K’s last home game and the Final Four huh? One of those self-flagellating types.
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Well, everything depends on the contractual language. This might be specifically addressed. Otherwise, my instinct is the same as yours. I think HD's theory would be constructive termination -- whether or not they technically fired him, his position as coach would be in name only. Plus, it would be seen as bad-faith dealing.
Also, if we're trying to get a good new coach, it's not a great idea to be screwing over the existing coach.
As much as that stung, I think most of us have gotten over it. It certainly helps that I moved out of the RDU area and didn't have to hear about it endlessly at the time.
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Maybe we can all PM you once a week
Oh wait I should wait to make sure you don't win a Natty in a couple weeks
bassydude77
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Hire slow, fire fast....
This is pretty routine in exit negotiations. Most coaching contracts have buyout cliffs that occur slightly later than the typical announced firing. There are a variety of ways to deal with these details (and the contract language can make a big difference) but they are the type of details that get hammered out in the negotiation process -- unless it is an absolutely bad blood type termination.
superrific
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That timeline of buyout cliff makes no sense to me, but you know -- I have too many other things to worry about to think about it.
Roy retired on April 1, so maybe that is when Hubert's contract began.
Typically, the new coach is hired a week or so after the old coach is fired/leaves, so the 1st year anniversary would be a little later than the typical firing date.
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I hear a lot of dook fans and wolpfackers say we should keep him.
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Purely my own speculation based on what I read about the buyout.
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I’m really sad for Hubert. He’s a good man and a good ambassador for the ‘Carolina Way.’ I really wish this had turned out differently.
Hubert Davis 2024 Contract Signed Redacted - University of North Carolina Athletics
Hubert Davis 2024 Contract Signed Redacted
I don't see any April 1 cliff. Just have to pay 100% of the base pay through 2030. There is an offset for future income. Sometimes coaches will accept a lower buyout in order to waive the offset clause.