Hubert Davis Catch-all

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thebruinbleedstarheelblue said:
How is he growing? His best regular season and post season performances are in the past...and the team just flopped last year.
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I think im recruiting, in- game coaching, out of timeouts, rotations. I thought ability to get the team to bounce back after state was good coaching..I can tell you that winning against Virginia dook and lville when down 16 14 and 11 is literally probably a million to one and I don't think that can be done with bad coaching.
 
superrific said:
Oh. 25 would smoke 82. Players are just too much better these days. Cooper Flagg as a freshman > MJ as a freshman. The game would have to be played on 82's terms -- i.e. no 3 point shot. Either no shot clock or a 45 second shot clock. Without 3 point shooting, the Duke 25 team would have a chance. With it, it would be a blowout.
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We will just have to agree to disagree on this one. But I don't think there are too many barbershops in the area in which you would get 50% support for your side.
 
Calheel said:
We will just have to agree to disagree on this one. But I don't think there are too many barbershops in the area in which you would get 50% support for your side.
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It would definitely depend on the rules in play. An agreement on compromise rules and a week for both teams and the refs to adjust and you might could get a fair match up. I figure if it's just one team's version of the rules, they'd win. 82 would be blown away by the physicality on both sides of the ball if we used current rules. 25 would have 4 players fouled out by the eight minute timeout in the first half and committed 20 travels with 82's rules.
 
finesse said:
It would definitely depend on the rules in play. An agreement on compromise rules and a week for both teams and the refs to adjust and you might could get a fair match up. I figure if it's just one team's version of the rules, they'd win. 82 would be blown away by the physicality on both sides of the ball if we used current rules. 25 would have 4 players fouled out by the eight minute timeout in the first half and committed 20 travels with 82's rules.
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And 12 carry/palming the ball calls
 
heel79 said:
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I think im recruiting, in- game coaching, out of timeouts, rotations. I thought ability to get the team to bounce back after state was good coaching..I can tell you that winning against Virginia dook and lville when down 16 14 and 11 is literally probably a million to one and I don't think that can be done with bad coaching.
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Easy on the one in a million. The highest % for the opponents in each game was 86%, 95% and 96%. Combined that is 1/6*1/20*1/25 or 1/3,000. Rare, but if you take the three longest odds comebacks from any season at any point in the game, I doubt it's that much of an outlier.
 
stankeylegjones said:
I really appreciate your perspective and the context you provide around Hubert’s time at UNC, especially given the challenges of following Roy, the academic scandal, the NIL era, and all the transitions in college basketball. I still see things differently, though. While it might seem like criticisms of Hubert shift from year to year, I don’t think that’s just moving the goalposts. His record against peer programs teams shows that there are more lows than highs, and that matters when evaluating whether the program is truly trending upward. Things like slow starts, inconsistency, and gaps in roster development aren’t just complaints, they’re indicators of program performance. I agree he’s facing a tough situation and has made some progress, but it’s fair for fans to hold him to the standards that come with running a program like UNC rather than assuming criticism is just impatience.
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That’s absolutely fair, and I can respect that perspective. I respect most of the perspectives on here regarding Hubert. I just don’t think that I am ready for the Davis experiment to be over just yet. I get why others are ready, and many of their concerns are valid. I just don’t think that ending it after this year is the right call. Last year might have been. Next year might be. But right now, he has done enough this to round for me to want to see what next year brings.
 
Gmonet said:
Easy on the one in a million. The highest % for the opponents in each game was 86%, 95% and 96%. Combined that is 1/6*1/20*1/25 or 1/3,000. Rare, but if you take the three longest odds comebacks from any season at any point in the game, I doubt it's that much of an outlier.
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.14 times .05 times .04 is .00028..

So whatever that is. Lol
 
superrific said:
Sure, but there were way more McDAA's in college back then, by your own logic. The average tenure for a McD AA in those days was about 3.9 years, I would imagine. Today it's definitely less than 2 and probably closer to 1.5.

So divide Dean's number by two and compare. Plus, there was so little reliable HS scouting that many McD AAs were stiffs. In many cases, the fact that they got a UNC offer was enough to shoot them up the rankings, which sort of defeats the purpose of this exercise. I mean, Fing was a McD AA! Joey Beard! Crawford Palmer!
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Still plenty of “stiffs” who were named McD’s AAs these days. Just from the HS classes of 2021-23 you have, e.g., Jackson Grant, Damion Collins, Kijani Wright, MJ Rice, Arterio Morris, Dillon Mitchell, Sean Stewart, Elmarko Jackson, Brandon Garrison, Baye Fall, Mookie Cook, Aaron Bradshaw, Xavier Booker, Omaha Biliew, and so on. (I figure it’s too early to make a call on guys who left high school in or after 2024.)
 
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Icky Mettle said:
Still plenty of “stiffs” who were named McD’s AAs these days. Just from the HS classes of 2021-23 you have, e.g., Jackson Grant, Damion Collins, Kijani Wright, MJ Rice, Arterio Morris, Dillon Mitchell, Sean Stewart, Elmarko Jackson, Brandon Garrison, Baye Fall, Mookie Cook, Aaron Bradshaw, Xavier Booker, Omaha Biliew, and so on. (I figure it’s too early to make a call on guys who left high school in or after 2024.)
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It wasn't that way pre-COVID, was it? Admittedly I haven't paying attention to much nationally in a while, but I don't recall McD AA guys being so inconsequential a decade ago.

Is COVID responsible? It robbed kids of development time in many cases, certainly made scouting more difficult (scouting reports that tend to start in 10th grade or earlier.

Or maybe it's always been that way.
 
superrific said:
It wasn't that way pre-COVID, was it? Admittedly I haven't paying attention to much nationally in a while, but I don't recall McD AA guys being so inconsequential a decade ago.

Is COVID responsible? It robbed kids of development time in many cases, certainly made scouting more difficult (scouting reports that tend to start in 10th grade or earlier.

Or maybe it's always been that way.
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Always been that way. If anything it's a little better now because of more experience at judging talent. It happens at the pro level as well. Players plateau, don't handle success well, aren't mature enough, all that sort of thing.
 
sringwal said:
That’s absolutely fair, and I can respect that perspective. I respect most of the perspectives on here regarding Hubert. I just don’t think that I am ready for the Davis experiment to be over just yet. I get why others are ready, and many of their concerns are valid. I just don’t think that ending it after this year is the right call. Last year might have been. Next year might be. But right now, he has done enough this to round for me to want to see what next year brings.
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I don't see how that can be said because this season is not over. For example, if he loses the next five games I can't see him returning.
 
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