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We need to get hot from 3. It's time for Jared to step up. Unfortunately he has not shown signs of doing so for 2.5 years in college.
Hubert Davis Catch-all
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Then why would he leave?
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Mediocrity will eventually get tiresome for them, too. Wouldn't think they'd suddenly lose program access if we had another coach... They'd get over it.
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He's someone who'd almost surely come here if offered. He ain't winning shit at Vandy, and if he cares about that at all, he won't be there long. Somebody's gonna get him. Kentucky and Kansas very well may be both looking for coaches in the next 2-3 years, too.
From Virginia. Played at UNC-W. Coached under Cremins at Charleston. Byington would be one hell of a Plan D.
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I think there is a good chance he will be fired ( not sure that is an absolute ), but if he is, then I will be interested to see who Cincy hires and track his next 4 years at Cincy
But if he is fired, then no way should UNC hire him... because he was fired.
We want to go after and take a coach away from an established successful top 10 program because that coach would die to give up his program and come to UNC...yeah, that's the ticket
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Cremins was a bad coach. Squandered so much talent.
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I would hope we evaluate HD/staff up until now, and how they perform afterwards - pre and post-Caleb performances. What are the expectations for the team now (including staff), and did the staff meet those expectations.
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We should have known something was up when The Notre Dame buy out was an order of Pokey Stix and a contract we had to sign in blood that said "no backsies."
Why did Bryan Kelly leave Notre Dame for LSU?
We are basically the top basketball program in the country give or take a couple. Success at UNC is easier to obtain and maintain than Vanderbilt. Of course, expectations are a lot higher, too.
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Yes, if we go into a trail spin, I think HD will be on a very hot seat.
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That's my thinking too. We're entering the toughest part of our ACC schedule and without Wilson I think it could get ugly pretty quick. And I doubt that people who are critical of Hubert are going to take Wilson's injury into account or give Hubert any leeway for that. Before Wilson's injury I gave Davis slightly better-than-even odds to stay as coach given the overall performance of the team so far, while acknowledging that a disappointing finish would still likely get him fired. With Wilson out I think it's going to be a good deal uglier in the ACC and Hubert may find fans calling for his head rather quickly. If Wilson misses the rest of the season or most of it then I'm not optimistic for Hubert's chances to keep his job.
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I think there is an opportunity here for HD, but it's likely a rough one.
If he can pull the team together and keep winning the games we should win (say 4-3 over to end the season, 1-1 in the ACCT, and at least 1 in the NCAAT) while the team looks fairly good and cohesive and not getting blown out while doing so, keeping the team together despite losing its best player - in additional to the highs we've had this year - may get him another year.
But that's a hard row to hoe and I'm sure it's not one that anyone would choose.
If he can pull the team together and keep winning the games we should win (say 4-3 over to end the season, 1-1 in the ACCT, and at least 1 in the NCAAT) while the team looks fairly good and cohesive and not getting blown out while doing so, keeping the team together despite losing its best player - in additional to the highs we've had this year - may get him another year.
But that's a hard row to hoe and I'm sure it's not one that anyone would choose.
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If Davis couldn't put together consistent performances with a generational talent, I don't know why anyone would expect him to be able to do so when actively compensating for the absence of a generational talent.
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That's a very valid point. Looking over that list, I see many guys who traded up after one magical run. Remains to be seen if they can sustain success over multiple seasons spanning different players. That's why I said keep an eye on Byington instead of hiring him outright. Looked a little more into McCasland...that's another guy I'd keep an eye on.
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I beg to differ. Think there's maybe a handful of guys on that list who have have the track record or promise that make them a clear upgrade over HD; those I would rate as excellent. Some of the names on the list are largely unproven or not particularly impressive; I'd tab those as solid candidates, but not excellent. To make a change, I'd want an excellent candidate.
Lloyd and May are the best candidates in that pool (solid track records, experience at P5 schools, still hungry). Lloyd may be more gettable, but Michigan will break the bank to keep May and I don't see a built-in reason why he would leave. Painter is not leaving Purdue. Some young guys I'd keep a tab on: Byington, McCasland, Golden (the Title IX thing may be a knockout), Young, Steele...probably in that order.
Some guys don't do it for me personally: Hoiberg, Brownwell...there were a few others when I was looking up their resumes.
After more than 20 years in coaching, I tend to view coaches throughout this checklist, understanding that its impossible to be great in every category:
-Player Acquisition: evaluate prospects, recruiting (high school and portal)
-Player Development: do players improve over the course of a season, over the course of their careers?
-Strategist: the building blocks of the program, offensive and defensive philosophy, managing the season, setting your culture
-Tactician: gameday coaching, how good are they playing the chess game of each game
-Communicator: managing multiple constituencies (media, fan base, university, alumni), building effective rapport with players (motivator)
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When Roy retired Jay Wright was the only name intriguing to me. Tommy Lloyd is that name now
A better chance than Wright was I assume but he is a west coast guy
I like Dusty but hard to think he would leave Michigan. They are spending as much as anyone
A better chance than Wright was I assume but he is a west coast guy
I like Dusty but hard to think he would leave Michigan. They are spending as much as anyone
In terms of whether we would be upgrading, is there any school in the top 25 that would agree to trade coaches with us straight up? Top 50?
Even Kentucky fans, who hate Pope, would not agree to that trade.
I think coaching decisions need to be bifurcated. Is our coach capable of succeeding at UNC up to our standards? Answer that question first. Then make a separate decision about who you want to hire.
Making the termination decision based on who you think could replace him is not a great way to run an organization. Among other things, you rarely have an assurance as to who will be the replacement.
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Lloyd would be 1A on my board by a mile and I'd do whatever it took to get him here. Hell, Roy's tight with Few. Get the admin to push that button with Roy.
I'd include Golden here, but I recall the creeper Title IX stuff. Not familiar with the details, but probably too radioactive to pursue.
I just can't see May leaving Michigan so quickly, but gotta call his agent.
Oats is polarizing, but he'd recruit very well and win here. Aside from Lloyd, he has the highest ceiling. Style would take some getting used to, but perhaps the UNC brand would allow him to get some talent he wasn't able to get at Bama. Also has the ego to relish going head-to-head with Duke.
McCasland, to me, is a proven commodity. Guy can coach his ass off. Very curious what he could do with elite talent.
Otzelberger just screams ISU to me. Can't really envision him leaving or entertaining another job, but who knows.
Byington is intriguing. He's won everywhere he's been. Carries little weight on the recruiting trail, tho. A "pull in case of emergency" candidate. Worst case he's a good coach with promise who'd almost certainly take the job.
Some good candidates if UNC will just act like UNC should - no more nepotism, no more clinging to nostalgia. They've given Hubert all the time in the world - they won't be seen as unstable or irrational like UK was after pushing Cal out. That’d be appealing to anyone.
I'd include Golden here, but I recall the creeper Title IX stuff. Not familiar with the details, but probably too radioactive to pursue.
I just can't see May leaving Michigan so quickly, but gotta call his agent.
Oats is polarizing, but he'd recruit very well and win here. Aside from Lloyd, he has the highest ceiling. Style would take some getting used to, but perhaps the UNC brand would allow him to get some talent he wasn't able to get at Bama. Also has the ego to relish going head-to-head with Duke.
McCasland, to me, is a proven commodity. Guy can coach his ass off. Very curious what he could do with elite talent.
Otzelberger just screams ISU to me. Can't really envision him leaving or entertaining another job, but who knows.
Byington is intriguing. He's won everywhere he's been. Carries little weight on the recruiting trail, tho. A "pull in case of emergency" candidate. Worst case he's a good coach with promise who'd almost certainly take the job.
Some good candidates if UNC will just act like UNC should - no more nepotism, no more clinging to nostalgia. They've given Hubert all the time in the world - they won't be seen as unstable or irrational like UK was after pushing Cal out. That’d be appealing to anyone.
Your standards are a coach that is an absolute shoe in for the Hall of Fame at his first shot. I'm not a 100% sure there's a younger guy out there fitting that description that we can get to come here.
Personally, I think that while we are one of the most elite programs in the game, we are in a decline that started the last two years under Roy and some of the bloom is off the rose. We've moved from a plum job to a challenging opportunity. I think we'll find a lot of people interested but I don't see it being as easy to sell as you seem to.
UNC has proven its ability to be at the top of basketball for a longer period and through more coaches than any other program - with Kentucky and Kansas close behind (benefitted greatly by much easier conferences historically)
In addition, we are soon joining an elite P2 conference and building a state of the art arena. We are likely willing to pay top dollar to bring the basketball program back to the top.
It is an extremely attractive job. Obviously, some people will turn it down for personal reasons but we will have our pick of 99.99% of all available candidates. It is up to Newkirk and Roy and Roberts to find that next great coach (if a change needs to be made, which is not a sure thing yet).