Hubert Davis Catch-all

[donbosco]

But there could be ones out there we don’t know about.

Sounds like the Replacer Crowd wouldn't go for anyone but a Big Name to me.

I still remain super skeptical that Roberts et. al. would even want a Carolina Way head coach if they had the opportunity to chose a new one. We've got the football example after all.

 

[Calheel]

No, it’s not unverifiable. They were never playing at the level of the top teams. Hence they weren’t demonstrating that they were a contender.

What’s unverifiable is what might have happened if CWilson didn’t get injured.

One has happened one hasn’t.

So a team is not a “serious” contender if it is not projecting as a 1 or 2 seed? Because if that’s what you mean, that is what you should say.

 

[Calheel]

Sounds like the Replacer Crowd wouldn't go for anyone but a Big Name to me.

I still remain super skeptical that Roberts et. al. would even want a Carolina Way head coach if they had the opportunity to chose a new one. We've got the football example after all.

Football example is not exactly a home run example. Not sure any leader would look at football and think, let’s do that again.

 

[donbosco]

Football example is not exactly a home run example. Not sure any leader would look at football and think, let’s do that again.

trumpers gonna trump

 

[NYCBlueBlood]

In CBB right now, who would you put on the "NYCBlueBlood approved" list for Carolina, if we were to make a move?

I'm going to steal rodo's list and work from there:

Tier 1: "I really doubt they leave their current school but you gotta call and ask"

• Tommy Lloyd
• Dusty May
• Matt Painter
• Todd Golden (personally, I'd have him off the board anyway for personal reasons, but I understand if others don't)

Tier 2: "The top realistic targets"

• TJ Olzeberger (my personal choice)
• Nate Oats

Tier 3: "Minor potential concerns but still good hires on paper"

• Brad Underwood (too old?)
• Fred Hoiberg (How lasting will his success at Nebraska be, and does he still really want the NBA?)
• Mark Byington (can he be elite, or just consistently very good?)
• Ryan Odom (would really love to see another good year at UVA first)

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IMO Brad Stevens is 1A above any of rodo's Tier 1. Obtainable? Likely not. But he's a slam dunk. Tommy Lloyd is 1B. Dusty May is a clear 2 with Painter at 3. Todd Golden is an absolute no for me. TJ and Nate are both a clear step down to me... I'd call them 4-ish. High risk, potential high reward... similar to the risk we took with HD. Would prefer we don't go there. I don't like Oates, so for me the options end with Painter, but TJ is worst case scenario if we are determined to fire HD and move on whether we get better or not.

 

[stankeylegjones]

So a team is not a “serious” contender if it is not projecting as a 1 or 2 seed? Because if that’s what you mean, that is what you should say.

I'd say teams performing around the top 8-10 are considered serious contenders for the final weekend. I don't think I'm in the minority here. In fact, I'd say the vast majority of folks agree with that. Hence, why I didn't think it needed to be stated.

What do you consider the cutoff for teams to be considered serious contenders for the final weekend?

 

[shonuff]

And presumptuous to assume it wouldn’t have. Carolina teams, including UNC 22, have a track record of turning it up a notch in February and March.

We will never know what this team could have accomplished.

His 2022 turned it up for sure
His 2023 team missed (despite returning 4 starters from a a national championship runner up team)
His 2024 team was a 1 seed - choked in S16
His 2025 team out in first round

He has exactly one team that turned it up in the tournament.

I will say this years team at full strength was elite 8 minimum because of talent, not because they would turn it up.

 

[rodoheel]

And presumptuous to assume it wouldn’t have. Carolina teams, including UNC 22, have a track record of turning it up a notch in February and March.

We will never know what this team could have accomplished.

I didnt say it wouldnt have. I agree with you that we will never know. That’s why we have to judge the team on what actually happened, not “what if.” People have a tendency to count these sort of “what if” scenarios as an assumption that the rosiest scenario would have occurred.

 

[Bigs23]

how about a team of :

PG : Cadeau
SG: Trimble
SF: Nickel
PF : Wilson
C: Veessaar
Lubin and Washington spelling at the PF and C

That looks like a pretty good 7 man rotation

That lineup likely doesn't fit under the salary cap.

 

[rodoheel]

Not as good as the current team when healthy.

Probably not, but not that far off either. Our team would have e much better 4/5, transfer team better at the 1-3.

Doesn’t really matter, just surprising how many former UNC guys are contributing elsewhere.

 

[Bigs23]

Probably not, but not that far off either. Our team would have e much better 4/5, transfer team better at the 1-3.

Doesn’t really matter, just surprising how many former UNC guys are contributing elsewhere.

I don't find it that surprising. They are for the most part doing what they did at UNC.

 

[OahuHiHeel]

how about a team of :

PG : Cadeau
SG: Trimble
SF: Nickel
PF : Wilson
C: Veessaar
Lubin and Washington spelling at the PF and C

That looks like a pretty good 7 man rotation

Who covers PG and SG when Cadeau and Trimble need rest or are in foul trouble?

 

[uncjhodges]

 

[Bigs23]

Seemed like he was given a lot of latitude while at UNC.

That type of comment doesn't speak well to his maturation.

 

[stankeylegjones]

Seemed like he was given a lot of latitude while at UNC.

That type of comment doesn't speak well to his maturation.

You sure do like blaming the players...for everything. You don't find it curious that several players have come to UNC and found their shooting to take a hit? When that happens across multiple players, you have to wonder if it's the way they being coached/treated.

 

[kidryancorn]

You sure do like blaming the players...for everything. You don't find it curious that several players have come to UNC and found their shooting to take a hit? When that happens across multiple players, you have to wonder if it's the way they being coached/treated.

If a player who transferred into UNC he would have no problem with that quote.

 

[Bigs23]

If a player who transferred into UNC he would have no problem with that quote.

I have never heard a player who transferred into UNC make a negative comment about his former team or coach.

It's bad form regardless of who says it.

 

[Bigs23]

You sure do like blaming the players...for everything. You don't find it curious that several players have come to UNC and found their shooting to take a hit? When that happens across multiple players, you have to wonder if it's the way they being coached/treated.

Which ones? Several have come and seen their games improve.

 

[stankeylegjones]

I have not ever a player who transferred into UNC make a negative comment about his former team or coach.

It's bad form regardless of who says it.

If he's being honest, it's bad to say it? I disagree. I think your blind loyalty and belief in HD is clouding your judgement here.

 

[stankeylegjones]

Which ones? Several have come and seen their games improve.

Which players are you talking about? I feel like HI improved. HV improved. (When I say improved, I'm talking more than a few tenths of a percentage point.) Which ones would you say didn't improve and/or regress?