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ZenMode said:
One video shows about 30 seconds before they try to arrest her. At that point she's documenting, in perfect English, the officers badge numbers.

We don't know how long officers had been arguing with her while she refused to move her car. Again, during the arrest, she's yelling "you can't detain me" and "you're violating my civil rights". That is after she's reciting the officers' badge numbers.

In my opinion, that doesn't sound like an innocent woman who just stopped to ask a question. It does sound like someone who's looking to cause trouble.
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First of all, none of that is a response to my question, which is to ask how you think this video has been selectively or deceptively edited to not show "what happened leading up to the arrest." We see a good 45 seconds before the "arrest." She's just standing there talking to an agent. There is nothing dangerous or threatening going on.

Second of all, I personally don't give a shit whether she was asking for directions or calling the ICE agent a pigfucker. Neither one of those justifies four agents dragging her to the ground to "arrest" her. Was she there to create a scene? Maybe. But who cares? Don't you expect a little more composure and decorum from heavily armed federal officers than to turn a calm scene where everyone is standing around talking into one where they're aggressively ganging up to drag an unarmed woman to the ground? No person or property was in danger. If her car is illegally parked, call a fucking towing company.
 
rodoheel said:
First of all, none of that is a response to my question, which is to ask how you think this video has been selectively or deceptively edited to not show "what happened leading up to the arrest." We see a good 45 seconds before the "arrest." She's just standing there talking to an agent. There is nothing dangerous or threatening going on.

Second of all, I personally don't give a shit whether she was asking for directions or calling the ICE agent a pigfucker. Neither one of those justifies four agents dragging her to the ground to "arrest" her. Was she there to create a scene? Maybe. But who cares? Don't you expect a little more composure and decorum from heavily armed federal officers than to turn a calm scene where everyone is standing around talking into one where they're aggressively ganging up to drag an unarmed woman to the ground? No person or property was in danger. If her car is illegally parked, call a fucking towing company.
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Honestly, it looked to me, when they got her to the passenger side of the car, like she was trying to pull away from the officers and fell to the ground on her own to avoid being arrested.

Opinions will vary, but I didn't see anything egregious there.
 
ZenMode said:
Like I said, there's either no video available showing what happened before the arrest.
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Except that there is. A full minute plus prior to the her being assaulted. She did nothing
ZenMode said:
Honestly, it looked to me, when they got her to the passenger side of the car, like she was trying to pull away from the officers and fell to the ground on her own to avoid being arrested.

Opinions will vary, but I didn't see anything egregious there.
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This is an in my tribe vs. out of my tribe response. The woman is not part of your tribe so you don't give a shit about her. If they exact precise same thing happened to your wife or daughter you'd be apoplectic, and you know this to be true.

I'll let you in on a little secret. When the least of us loses their right to due process, every last one of us loses our right to due process. If you think there's some magical barrier at play here, you're an idiot. If they can do it to this woman, they can do it to you, your wife, your daughter, and each and every one of us in this country. Open your eyes, man.
 
ZenMode said:
Honestly, it looked to me, when they got her to the passenger side of the car, like she was trying to pull away from the officers and fell to the ground on her own to avoid being arrested.

Opinions will vary, but I didn't see anything egregious there.
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But why was it necessary to arrest her in the first place? You think when the camera looked away she pulled a knife on the officer?
 
rodoheel said:
But why was it necessary to arrest her in the first place? You think when the camera looked away she pulled a knife on the officer?
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Again, we don't know exactly what happened here, but if someone is parked illegally, simply refuses to move their car and is being intentionally defiant to cause trouble, what should law enforcement do?
 
Ddseddse said:
Except that there is. A full minute plus prior to the her being assaulted. She did nothing

This is an in my tribe vs. out of my tribe response. The woman is not part of your tribe so you don't give a shit about her. If they exact precise same thing happened to your wife or daughter you'd be apoplectic, and you know this to be true.

I'll let you in on a little secret. When the least of us loses their right to due process, every last one of us loses our right to due process. If you think there's some magical barrier at play here, you're an idiot. If they can do it to this woman, they can do it to you, your wife, your daughter, and each and every one of us in this country. Open your eyes, man.
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"If they can do it to this woman, they can do it to you, your wife, your daughter, and each and every one of us in this country."

What is the "it" being done to her?
 
Organized?
New video obtained Sunday by ABC News shows another alleged vehicle-ramming incident that happened Saturday on Chicago's Southwest Side.

Prosecutors say the two were allegedly part of a convoy that followed agents after a CBP operation.

Sunday night, ABC7 learned about an apparent second incident involving a driver ramming a federal vehicle. Video was captured from about six blocks north.

abc7chicago.com

Woman shot by CBP agent among 2 charged in alleged Brighton Park vehicle ramming, prosecutors say

New video shows an alleged vehicle-ramming incident Saturday on Chicago's Southwest Side that happened after another incident in which a woman who was shot by a federal agent is now among two people facing charges.
abc7chicago.com abc7chicago.com

 
ZenMode said:
Again, we don't know exactly what happened here, but if someone is parked illegally, simply refuses to move their car and is being intentionally defiant to cause trouble, what should law enforcement do?
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Call a tow truck! Did arresting her get them any closer to having the car moved?
 
rodoheel said:
Call a tow truck! Did arresting her get them any closer to having the car moved?
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I suspect they arrested her and had her truck towed. I'm fine with doing both. You prefer they don't arrest her, which is fine. I don't think doing either or both is an issue that we should be concerned about. People who are looking to cause trouble, as she appears to be, know the risks and often want to be arrested.

She's not ignorant to the risks

Also @lawtig02
 
ZenMode said:
I suspect they arrested her and had her truck towed. I'm fine with doing both. You prefer they don't arrest her, which is fine. I don't think doing either or both is an issue that we should be concerned about. People who are looking to cause trouble, as she appears to be, know the risks and often want to be arrested.

She's not ignorant to the risks

Also @lawtig02
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Arrest her for what? Being annoying to a federal officer, or wanting to "cause trouble," is not a crime. They could have just stood there and waited for a tow truck to come.

Again, you really need to have higher expectations for federal officers when interacting with the public. Arresting people because they won't shut up is feckless behavior.
 
chrissteel said:
Organized?
New video obtained Sunday by ABC News shows another alleged vehicle-ramming incident that happened Saturday on Chicago's Southwest Side.

Prosecutors say the two were allegedly part of a convoy that followed agents after a CBP operation.

Sunday night, ABC7 learned about an apparent second incident involving a driver ramming a federal vehicle. Video was captured from about six blocks north.

abc7chicago.com

Woman shot by CBP agent among 2 charged in alleged Brighton Park vehicle ramming, prosecutors say

New video shows an alleged vehicle-ramming incident Saturday on Chicago's Southwest Side that happened after another incident in which a woman who was shot by a federal agent is now among two people facing charges.
abc7chicago.com abc7chicago.com

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Oh no! How dare you ram our vehicles! We're the rammers, not the rammees. Signed ICE
 
rodoheel said:
Arrest her for what? Being annoying to a federal officer, or wanting to "cause trouble," is not a crime. They could have just stood there and waited for a tow truck to come.

Again, you really need to have higher expectations for federal officers when interacting with the public. Arresting people because they won't shut up is feckless behavior.
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And sexually assaulting them after doing so is outrageous beyond belief.
 
rodoheel said:
Arrest her for what? Being annoying to a federal officer, or wanting to "cause trouble," is not a crime. They could have just stood there and waited for a tow truck to come.

Again, you really need to have higher expectations for federal officers when interacting with the public. Arresting people because they won't shut up is feckless behavior.
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Arrest her for refusing to move her illegally parked car.

Is your issue that these are federal agents, not local law enforcement?

Local law enforcement arrests protesters all the time, right? People who refuse to move, are blocking traffic, etc.
 

Judge Poised to Free Abrego Garcia if Officials Can’t Supply Deportation Plans​

The judge expressed exasperation at government lawyers’ failure to answer “basic questions” or produce evidence during what she called a “topsy-turvy, inside-out day.”

www.nytimes.com

Judge Poised to Free Abrego Garcia if Officials Can’t Supply Deportation Plans

The judge expressed exasperation at government lawyers’ failure to answer “basic questions” or produce evidence during what she called a “topsy-turvy, inside-out day.”
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“A federal judge said on Monday that she was inclined to release Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, the Maryland man now being held in U.S. immigration custody after wrongfully being removed to El Salvador, if the federal government cannot quickly produce evidence it has plans to deport him soon.

At a hearing in Greenbelt, Md., Judge Paula Xinis of the U.S. District Court for Maryland expressed exasperation at Justice Department lawyers’ failure to answer “basic questions” that could determine Mr. Abrego Garcia’s fate. She questioned whether the government was using a “trick bag” to detain him indefinitely by claiming he needed to remain in immigration custody because of an imminent deportation when in fact it had not solidified any such plans.

Judge Xinis said she was likely to give the government until Wednesday to respond. She granted government lawyers a 30-minute recess during the hearing to excavate proof, such as communications with foreign governments like requests for travel documents and coordination on potentially handing over Mr. Abrego Garcia. But all they had, the judge noted, were emails that Mr. Abrego Garcia’s lawyers received from the government notifying them that he would be deported to Eswatini, a small country in southern Africa formerly known as Swaziland….”
 
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