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ZenMode said:
She pulled over to ask for directions?

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I have a pro bono client who had to do an ICE check-in last week. He wasn't sure how to get into the building with all the armed ICE officers surrounding it, so he approached them to ask for directions. Fortunately, the ICE officers he approached were not the types who assault women in the middle of the street.
 
nycfan said:


"Our intelligence indicates that these people are organized, they're getting more and more people on their team, as far as attacking officers and they're making plans to ambush them and to kill them. We have specific officers and agents that have bounties that have been put out on their heads. It's about $2,000 to kidnap them, $10,000 to kill them."

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I mean, if the government has evidence of this that would be admitted in court, they absolutely should be filing charges and obtaining arrest warrants. Full stop.

But forgive my skepticism about Noem’s sources and general credibility.
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I stopped reading after Our intelligence indicates.
 
lawtig02 said:
I have a pro bono client who had to do an ICE check-in last week. He wasn't sure how to get into the building with all the armed ICE officers surrounding it, so he approached them to ask for directions. Fortunately, the ICE officers he approached were not the types who assault women in the middle of the street.
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The bystander said she was asked to move her car, which means she was illegally parked. Based on the fact that there are no cars behind her, for as far as the eye can see, that seems likely to be true. She was apparently unwilling to move her car, decided to argue with law enforcement and got arrested.
 
ZenMode said:
The bystander said she was asked to move her car, which means she was illegally parked. Based on the fact that there are no cars behind her, for as far as the eye can see, that seems likely to be true. She was apparently unwilling to move her car, decided to argue with law enforcement and got arrested.
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That in no way rebuts the possibility she was asking the officers for directions. If anything, it supports it.
 
ZenMode said:
The bystander said she was asked to move her car, which means she was illegally parked. Based on the fact that there are no cars behind her, for as far as the eye can see, that seems likely to be true. She was apparently unwilling to move her car, decided to argue with law enforcement and got arrested.
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So ICE is dealing with parking and traffic issues now?
 
lawtig02 said:
That in no way rebuts the possibility she was asking the officers for directions. If anything, it supports it.
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It doesn't, but the bystander also mocked law enforcement for coming out dressed how they are. "Coming out" implies that the officers weren't already out there, so did she park to ask a question to officers or were there protesters outside the building who she stopped to engage with?

The video is cropped to not show what happened leading up to the arrest, which is usually done intentionally.
 
ZenMode said:
It doesn't, but the bystander also mocked law enforcement for coming out dressed how they are. "Coming out" implies that the officers weren't already out there, so did she park to ask a question to officers or were there protesters outside the building who she stopped to engage with?

The video is cropped to not show what happened leading up to the arrest, which is usually done intentionally.
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It doesn't matter in the slightest. Not if she mouthed off at them, refused to move her car or anything.

What you saw on that video was sexual assault. Pure and simple. Those "officers" should do 10 years for that shit.
 
ZenMode said:
It doesn't, but the bystander also mocked law enforcement for coming out dressed how they are. "Coming out" implies that the officers weren't already out there, so did she park to ask a question to officers or were there protesters outside the building who she stopped to engage with?

The video is cropped to not show what happened leading up to the arrest, which is usually done intentionally.
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Seriously, what do you think happened here that caused you to question whether she was really asking for directions? The most likely scenario by far is:

1. The woman speaks little or no English.
2. She showed up at the ICE facility to do a mandatory check-in.
3. She did not know where to park.
4. She parked in the wrong spot, which caused ICE to approach her.
5. She tried to ask for directions -- where she should park, how to get into the building, whatever.
6. The ICE officers spoke no Spanish, so instead of answering her questions, they decided to detain her.
7. She got terrified and started fighting back.
8. The ICE officers escalated to the point of taking her down and undressing her in the middle of the street.

This is why it is inhumane and counterproductive to have armed ICE officers ready to pounce at a moment's notice. It's highly likely this woman was just trying to comply with the law, and she ends up getting assaulted and humiliated.
 
lawtig02 said:
Seriously, what do you think happened here that caused you to question whether she was really asking for directions? The most likely scenario by far is:

1. The woman speaks little or no English.
2. She showed up at the ICE facility to do a mandatory check-in.
3. She did not know where to park.
4. She parked in the wrong spot, which caused ICE to approach her.
5. She tried to ask for directions -- where she should park, how to get into the building, whatever.
6. The ICE officers spoke no Spanish, so instead of answering her questions, they decided to detain her.
7. She got terrified and started fighting back.
8. The ICE officers escalated to the point of taking her down and undressing her in the middle of the street.

This is why it is inhumane and counterproductive to have armed ICE officers ready to pounce at a moment's notice. It's highly likely this woman was just trying to comply with the law, and she ends up getting assaulted and humiliated.
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Like I said, there's either no video available showing what happened before the arrest, or the video of what happened was intentionally cropped to create a specific narrative, so we have no idea what happened leading up to the arrest.
 
ZenMode said:
Like I said, there's either no video showing what happened before the arrest, or the video of what happened was intentionally cropped to create a specific narrative, so we have no idea what happened leading up to the arrest.
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Then why are you skeptical she was asking for directions? What explanation do you think is more likely?
 
superrific said:
It doesn't matter in the slightest. Not if she mouthed off at them, refused to move her car or anything.

What you saw on that video was sexual assault. Pure and simple. Those "officers" should do 10 years for that shit.
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It seems unlikely that the police would be convicted of sexual assault because a woman's shirt came off during a struggle.
 
ZenMode said:
The bystander said she was asked to move her car, which means she was illegally parked. Based on the fact that there are no cars behind her, for as far as the eye can see, that seems likely to be true. She was apparently unwilling to move her car, decided to argue with law enforcement and got arrested.
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Yeah man it is definitely within the purview for ICE to physically carry someone away and arrest them for "illegally parking." Totally normal behavior.
 
lawtig02 said:
Then why are you skeptical she was asking for directions? What explanation do you think is more likely?
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Because there's no reason, based on the video, to believe that is the case. BTW, when she's yelling, she's yelling in perfect English.

She yelling "you aren't allowed to detain me" and "you are violating my civil rights". Sounds a LOT like someone who's there to cause trouble than ask for directions.
 
ZenMode said:
Because there's no reason, based on the video, to believe that is the case. BTW, when she's yelling, she's yelling in perfect English.

She yelling "you aren't allowed to detain me" and "you are violating my civil rights". Sounds a LOT like someone who's there to cause trouble than ask for directions.
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"so we have no idea what happened leading up to the arrest."

You, 8 minutes ago.
 
By the way it is totally on brand that zen is applying way more scrutiny to the question of why four ICE officers needed to drag away and arrest one unarmed woman than he is to the Secretary of DHS's claims that leftist terrorists are putting kidnap and murder bounties on individual ICE agents.
 
ZenMode said:
The video is cropped to not show what happened leading up to the arrest, which is usually done intentionally.
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Am I missing something? Aren't there two videos there that show from about 45 seconds before they physically grab her (starting with her and the officer just talking to each other, clearly nothing threatening going on) all the way through them cuffing her on the ground? Which time interval are you claiming is missing?
 
rodoheel said:
Am I missing something? Aren't there two videos there that show from about 45 seconds before they physically grab her (starting with her and the officer just talking to each other, clearly nothing threatening going on) all the way through them cuffing her on the ground? Which time interval are you claiming is missing?
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One video shows about 30 seconds before they try to arrest her. At that point she's documenting, in perfect English, the officers badge numbers.

We don't know how long officers had been arguing with her while she refused to move her car. Again, during the arrest, she's yelling "you can't detain me" and "you're violating my civil rights". That is after she's reciting the officers' badge numbers.

In my opinion, that doesn't sound like an innocent woman who just stopped to ask a question. It does sound like someone who's looking to cause trouble.
 
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