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Silence Dogood said:
Or you can debate me like a man, and quit creating the obvious echo chamber
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You don't debate like a man. You debate like a young child. "Blah blah blah" is not an acceptable debating practice anywhere and it never has been.

If you think we're having a debate, then you misunderstand the nature of our relationship. I am to you as I was to my students, except my students were at least somewhat knowledgeable. If you want me to treat you like a peer, then put in some effort to merit such a designation.

Otherwise you're just Smeagol.
 
Silence I think what you are missing is this is how the elimination of due process starts. It begins with eliminating due process rights for alleged immigrant criminals that don't deserve any rights and are dangerous, despite the fact that there has been no judicial hearing to determine whether this is the truth; in other words, screw these guys they are foreigners and probably gang members so deport them without trial.

If you buy this crap, then you have established the precedent that the US president and the executive can merely assert someone's guilt and deprive them of any due process hearing in a US court.

America fought a revolution in part to fight such unlimited power that was wielded by the King of England. Heck possibly your ancestors died in that war. We also fought Nazi Germany to prevent such authoritarianism spreading across the world. Many of us had relatives that died in that war. We also fought communism in Vietnam for the same reasons (in part). Many of us had relatives that died in that war and were permanently injured, physically and mentally. Same goes for Iraq and Afghanistan (not much due process in Islamic fundamentalist theocracies).

Silence, this is the slow burn. One America, Fox, Truth Social are not going to tell you that brother. Wake up!
Silence Dogood said:
But supporting an administration that doesn't enforce border security and allowing ms13 members into the country gets a free pass. You pick and choose your issues based on partisan politics, never looking at the big picture. You're defending criminals but can't even see it!
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Silence Dogood said:
Or you can debate me like a man, and quit creating the obvious echo chamber
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A debate with Silence:

Moderator: Let's start with a simple question. What is 2+2?

A Sentient Human: Four.

Silence: Zero!!! Argh!!!

Moderator: The answer, of course, is four.

Silence: YOU STUPID SPAWN OF SATAN!!! HOW DARE YOU CHALLENGE MY AUTHORITY??? I WAS ASSURED BY NONE OTHER THAN MEGYN (BLESS HER DIVINE SOUL) KELLY THAT 2+2 IS ZERO!!! LET IT BE SO!!! NOW CURSE YOU TO THE FOUL DEPTHS OF HELL!!!

Moderator: Uhhh ...

A Sentient Human: Uhhh ...

Silence: I WIN!!!!!
 
superrific said:
You don't debate like a man. You debate like a young child. "Blah blah blah" is not an acceptable debating practice anywhere and it never has been.

If you think we're having a debate, then you misunderstand the nature of our relationship. I am to you as I was to my students, except my students were at least somewhat knowledgeable. If you want me to treat you like a peer, then put in some effort to merit such a designation.

Otherwise you're just Smeagol.
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When you engage with him, he doesn’t learn anything and you give him a hard-on. He’s hooked you.
 
Zoo_View said:
When you engage with him, he doesn’t learn anything and you give him a hard-on. He’s hooked you.
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Maybe you ought to do less policing. There are people who read the board and don't post. The audience isn't only that other poster.

In addition, sometimes I don't mind a bit of argument to get myself fired up to do my work for the afternoon. Even if it's with trolls.
 
superrific said:
We do. See the DOGE thread.
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More gotcha games. You're being dishonest on purpose. Remember voters trusted Trump more on illegal immigration. You're arguing from a losing standpoint. That's why you love this echo chamber atmosphere. It would never fly in the real world.
 
Silence Dogood said:
More gotcha games. You're being dishonest on purpose.
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I was making a wry comment. Sad that you can't see that. Anyway, ask stupid questions, get stupid answers.

The reason that nobody cares to debate you is that you're terrible at it. When someone says in a debate, "well, the people think differently," they might as well just say they lost. When someone says in a debate, "that won't cut it in the real world," they might as well just say they lost. Especially if their interlocutor has worked on infinitely more billions-dollar financial transactions than you.
 
superrific said:
This guy not only doesn't understand basic math, he doesn't understand why basic math is relevant. I mean, there's no excuse for that. Do a fucking workbook if you can't remember 7th grade.
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It's not about facts, math, numbers or statistics. It's not about truth. It's about FEELINGS. MAGAs have been programmed to fear "illegals". All the statistics in the world won't change the way they feel.
 
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