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wmheel1287 said:
Yes again you completely mischaracterize what "the left" want regarding immigration. I do not know a single person outraged by this mess who has any objection at all to the removal and deportation of anyone with any sort of serious criminal conviction.
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What was ICE after the guy for when things exploded?

How about non violent crimes or misdemeanors?

How about no crimes but overstaying / not showing up for hearing.?

Where do you draw the line? I sincerely would like to know given your claim of my mischaracterization.
 
wmheel1287 said:
This last sentence is a criminally stupid fucking take. ICE agents (at least some of them) clearly do want to shoot people. They are doing so at rates that far exceed any rational conclusion otherwise. They are doing so when there is no reasonable fear for their own lives. And they are doing so without the smallest hint of regret that the employment of such force was used. Those folks 100% want to be shooting people.
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100% emotionally driven statement. You have zero evidence or reason to suspect that accusation other than hyper emotion fueled in part by inflammatory, over the top rhetoric. If that’s wrong, provide the proof.
 
Callatoroy said:
What was ICE after the guy for when things exploded?

How about non violent crimes or misdemeanors?

How about no crimes but overstaying / not showing up for hearing.?

Where do you draw the line? I sincerely would like to know given your claim of my mischaracterization.
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I think any immigrant who is convicted of a felony should be deported. I do not think a misdemeanor should have any impact at all on immigration. If someone has overstayed bit demonstrates that they have established themselves productively then clearly they are and were someone who is a positive contribution. That is not inconsistent at all with other areas of law such as adverse possession which basically legalizes theft of land after a certain time due to the benefits outweighing the negatives. We dont enforce federal Marijuana law. We largely do not enforce tax law in any meaningful way except the most grotesque violators. Its ludicrous to hold immigration law to some absolute standard of enforcement that no other area of federal law approaches.

I absolutely think detaining people at hearings, etc is fucking stupid beyond comprehension. I also think Trump and company have done more to harm the overall effort to reign in immigration than any other administration. We are far closer to "open borders" becoming a reality than we ever have been because the backlash to this shit will be severe and will be a wild overcorrection.

And I will unequivocally state that ALL leaders of ICE and CBP need to face investigation and criminal trial once this shitshow of an administration is over.
 
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Callatoroy said:
100% emotionally driven statement. You have zero evidence or reason to suspect that accusation other than hyper emotion fueled in part by inflammatory, over the top rhetoric. If that’s wrong, provide the proof.
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The rate at which ICE is shooting people in and of itself indicates a desire to employ that force. Other law enforcement agencies are able to engage with far greater threats to their life and daily operations without employing lethal force nearly as often. Furthermore, the officers themselves deny medical care in such a callous and unprofessional way as to indicate that they desire death as an outcome of the shooting rather than just stopping a threat.

They are quite literally roving death squads waiting to happen.

And stop saying how I feel is fueled by anything other than my own observations of the available evidence. Perhaps you dont know how to formulate your own opinion without watching your daily dose of conservative news...I don’t know and I won't presume. However, even if that is true for you, it is not true for me. I do not watch news broadcasts. The only "rhetoric" i consume comes from this administration itself because I keep hoping those collosal fuckups will recognize the folly of their ways and realize how much they are destroying the lives of the citizens of Minneapolis.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I think any immigrant who is convicted of a felony should be deported. I do not think a misdemeanor should have any impact at all on immigration. If someone has overstayed bit demonstrates that they have established themselves productively then clearly they are and were someone who is a positive contribution. That is not inconsistent at all with other areas of law such as adverse possession which basically legalizes theft of land after a certain time due to the benefits outweighing the negatives.

I absolutely think detaining people at hearings, etc is fucking stupid beyond comprehension. I also think Trump and company have done more to harm the overall effort to reign in immigration than any other administration. We are far closer to "open borders" becoming a reality than we ever have been because the backlash to this shit will be severe and will be a wild overcorrection.

And I will unequivocally state that ALL leaders of ICE and CBP need to face investigation and criminal trial once this shitshow of an administration is over.
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So my characterization isnt very far off at all. You dislike that trump is enforcing mass deportations for illegal aliens (not just the tactics - we all disagree with that). I don’t know if fact or not because saw on social media but the individual ice was after was supposedly convicted of domestic abuse. If true, you good with spouse abusers, child abusers, or elderly abusers being here illegally? Maybe someone else has more info on that person that is better than a social media post from unknown journalist.
 
Callatoroy said:
So my characterization isnt very far off at all. You dislike that trump is enforcing mass deportations for illegal aliens (not just the tactics - we all disagree with that). I don’t know if fact or not because saw on social media but the individual ice was after was supposedly convicted of domestic abuse. If true, you good with spouse abusers, child abusers, or elderly abusers being here illegally? Maybe someone else has more info on that person that is better than a social media post from unknown journalist.
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What you have is bullshit. There is no way to know who or what ICE was doing because they lie through their teeth about EVERYTHING. Do not try to pin what I'm "good with" on your fantasized/made up/nonsense regurgitated propaganda.

I want good people to live in the United States. If someone has shown a track record of being a good person and a productive member of society, it is counterproductive and stupid to invest resources in removing them. Is that really so difficult to understand?

We would be better served as a society arresting and locking up everyone who goes even 1mph over the speed limit. That would be a better payoff. And that would also be stupid as shit and counterproductive. But it would be smarter than this clusterfuck.
 
Callatoroy said:
So my characterization isnt very far off at all. You dislike that trump is enforcing mass deportations for illegal aliens (not just the tactics - we all disagree with that). I don’t know if fact or not because saw on social media but the individual ice was after was supposedly convicted of domestic abuse. If true, you good with spouse abusers, child abusers, or elderly abusers being here illegally? Maybe someone else has more info on that person that is better than a social media post from unknown journalist.
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Ask a Native American whose here illegally you obtuse SOB? Your myopia is the worms in your Kennedy crapsule belief that your feelings are facts?!?
What the literal eff is wrong with your mental scales? Seems like empathy has bypassed your weirdness and thought processes? Anyway we still love you man but we also know you are able to change your mindset. It’s up to you and while it may be hard it may also be liberating. I honestly hope so.
 
We should be clear that the right is trying to use this video as justification for the execution of Alex Pretti. In a society with laws this video could show motive for his eventual execution. What is the likelihood his executioners were in that gang?

If this is the manner they want to launder execution then every single person in the first several ranks of the J6 insurrection could have been approached at the grocery store and shot dead by FBI agents.
 
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