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wmheel1287 said:
Yes again you completely mischaracterize what "the left" want regarding immigration. I do not know a single person outraged by this mess who has any objection at all to the removal and deportation of anyone with any sort of serious criminal conviction.
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What was ICE after the guy for when things exploded?

How about non violent crimes or misdemeanors?

How about no crimes but overstaying / not showing up for hearing.?

Where do you draw the line? I sincerely would like to know given your claim of my mischaracterization.
 
wmheel1287 said:
This last sentence is a criminally stupid fucking take. ICE agents (at least some of them) clearly do want to shoot people. They are doing so at rates that far exceed any rational conclusion otherwise. They are doing so when there is no reasonable fear for their own lives. And they are doing so without the smallest hint of regret that the employment of such force was used. Those folks 100% want to be shooting people.
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100% emotionally driven statement. You have zero evidence or reason to suspect that accusation other than hyper emotion fueled in part by inflammatory, over the top rhetoric. If that’s wrong, provide the proof.
 
Callatoroy said:
What was ICE after the guy for when things exploded?

How about non violent crimes or misdemeanors?

How about no crimes but overstaying / not showing up for hearing.?

Where do you draw the line? I sincerely would like to know given your claim of my mischaracterization.
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I think any immigrant who is convicted of a felony should be deported. I do not think a misdemeanor should have any impact at all on immigration. If someone has overstayed bit demonstrates that they have established themselves productively then clearly they are and were someone who is a positive contribution. That is not inconsistent at all with other areas of law such as adverse possession which basically legalizes theft of land after a certain time due to the benefits outweighing the negatives. We dont enforce federal Marijuana law. We largely do not enforce tax law in any meaningful way except the most grotesque violators. Its ludicrous to hold immigration law to some absolute standard of enforcement that no other area of federal law approaches.

I absolutely think detaining people at hearings, etc is fucking stupid beyond comprehension. I also think Trump and company have done more to harm the overall effort to reign in immigration than any other administration. We are far closer to "open borders" becoming a reality than we ever have been because the backlash to this shit will be severe and will be a wild overcorrection.

And I will unequivocally state that ALL leaders of ICE and CBP need to face investigation and criminal trial once this shitshow of an administration is over.
 
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Callatoroy said:
100% emotionally driven statement. You have zero evidence or reason to suspect that accusation other than hyper emotion fueled in part by inflammatory, over the top rhetoric. If that’s wrong, provide the proof.
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The rate at which ICE is shooting people in and of itself indicates a desire to employ that force. Other law enforcement agencies are able to engage with far greater threats to their life and daily operations without employing lethal force nearly as often. Furthermore, the officers themselves deny medical care in such a callous and unprofessional way as to indicate that they desire death as an outcome of the shooting rather than just stopping a threat.

They are quite literally roving death squads waiting to happen.

And stop saying how I feel is fueled by anything other than my own observations of the available evidence. Perhaps you dont know how to formulate your own opinion without watching your daily dose of conservative news...I don’t know and I won't presume. However, even if that is true for you, it is not true for me. I do not watch news broadcasts. The only "rhetoric" i consume comes from this administration itself because I keep hoping those collosal fuckups will recognize the folly of their ways and realize how much they are destroying the lives of the citizens of Minneapolis.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I think any immigrant who is convicted of a felony should be deported. I do not think a misdemeanor should have any impact at all on immigration. If someone has overstayed bit demonstrates that they have established themselves productively then clearly they are and were someone who is a positive contribution. That is not inconsistent at all with other areas of law such as adverse possession which basically legalizes theft of land after a certain time due to the benefits outweighing the negatives.

I absolutely think detaining people at hearings, etc is fucking stupid beyond comprehension. I also think Trump and company have done more to harm the overall effort to reign in immigration than any other administration. We are far closer to "open borders" becoming a reality than we ever have been because the backlash to this shit will be severe and will be a wild overcorrection.

And I will unequivocally state that ALL leaders of ICE and CBP need to face investigation and criminal trial once this shitshow of an administration is over.
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So my characterization isnt very far off at all. You dislike that trump is enforcing mass deportations for illegal aliens (not just the tactics - we all disagree with that). I don’t know if fact or not because saw on social media but the individual ice was after was supposedly convicted of domestic abuse. If true, you good with spouse abusers, child abusers, or elderly abusers being here illegally? Maybe someone else has more info on that person that is better than a social media post from unknown journalist.
 
Callatoroy said:
So my characterization isnt very far off at all. You dislike that trump is enforcing mass deportations for illegal aliens (not just the tactics - we all disagree with that). I don’t know if fact or not because saw on social media but the individual ice was after was supposedly convicted of domestic abuse. If true, you good with spouse abusers, child abusers, or elderly abusers being here illegally? Maybe someone else has more info on that person that is better than a social media post from unknown journalist.
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What you have is bullshit. There is no way to know who or what ICE was doing because they lie through their teeth about EVERYTHING. Do not try to pin what I'm "good with" on your fantasized/made up/nonsense regurgitated propaganda.

I want good people to live in the United States. If someone has shown a track record of being a good person and a productive member of society, it is counterproductive and stupid to invest resources in removing them. Is that really so difficult to understand?

We would be better served as a society arresting and locking up everyone who goes even 1mph over the speed limit. That would be a better payoff. And that would also be stupid as shit and counterproductive. But it would be smarter than this clusterfuck.
 
Callatoroy said:
So my characterization isnt very far off at all. You dislike that trump is enforcing mass deportations for illegal aliens (not just the tactics - we all disagree with that). I don’t know if fact or not because saw on social media but the individual ice was after was supposedly convicted of domestic abuse. If true, you good with spouse abusers, child abusers, or elderly abusers being here illegally? Maybe someone else has more info on that person that is better than a social media post from unknown journalist.
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Ask a Native American whose here illegally you obtuse SOB? Your myopia is the worms in your Kennedy crapsule belief that your feelings are facts?!?
What the literal eff is wrong with your mental scales? Seems like empathy has bypassed your weirdness and thought processes? Anyway we still love you man but we also know you are able to change your mindset. It’s up to you and while it may be hard it may also be liberating. I honestly hope so.
 
We should be clear that the right is trying to use this video as justification for the execution of Alex Pretti. In a society with laws this video could show motive for his eventual execution. What is the likelihood his executioners were in that gang?

If this is the manner they want to launder execution then every single person in the first several ranks of the J6 insurrection could have been approached at the grocery store and shot dead by FBI agents.
 
wmheel1287 said:
The rate at which ICE is shooting people in and of itself indicates a desire to employ that force. Other law enforcement agencies are able to engage with far greater threats to their life and daily operations without employing lethal force nearly as often. Furthermore, the officers themselves deny medical care in such a callous and unprofessional way as to indicate that they desire death as an outcome of the shooting rather than just stopping a threat.

They are quite literally roving death squads waiting to happen.

And stop saying how I feel is fueled by anything other than my own observations of the available evidence. Perhaps you dont know how to formulate your own opinion without watching your daily dose of conservative news...I don’t know and I won't presume. However, even if that is true for you, it is not true for me. I do not watch news broadcasts. The only "rhetoric" i consume comes from this administration itself because I keep hoping those collosal fuckups will recognize the folly of their ways and realize how much they are destroying the lives of the citizens of Minneapolis.
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The only rhetoric??? You sure about that. You are right smack in the middle of a group think rhetoric filled message board. You are faced with hyper emotional comments on this board every time you log in. Hundreds of posts and videos on here from “journalists” and influencers with agendas. How many times is nazi or nazi references used on this board? You specifically have made those references. With any degree of rational thought, think how utterly stupid it is to compare any human in our g’ment to a group that killed 6 million people. Good and Pretti were TRAGICALLY killed. Better tactics / training / messaging / whatever and those two are alive. Even in the worst possible case that the 3 ice agents were actively seeking to kill someone. That's 2 compared to 6 million and the attempted exterminatioin of a race and yet you (the left) can't emotionally discuss what has taking place with any degree of rational seriousness. You want to lash out at anyone who dares disagree with your narrative. You insult an entire race of people every time you utter nazi references by stupidly making the irrational equivacation. So every time you do it, just know you are showing the emotional maturity of a teenager and can't be taken serious by anyone other than people like cford.

Other LE agencies are trained to deal with similar situations better. So yea, there is a less % of shootings. Most of the time they aren't faced with ginned up lunatics, stoked by socialist / marxist organizers, screaming / spitting / throwing things at them. If you think those are peaceful protests you have no clue what peaceful means. Still doesn't mean they should be killed but it sure increases the possibility of something bad happening. Pretti intervened, put hands on a fed officer, and resisted arrest. Those are facts. No, that doesn't mean he should be shot, but it sure as hell makes it more likely than if he didn't get in the middle and put his hands on the cop. Had he stayed 20 feet away, protested peacefully, and recorded he would still be alive. You and the left don't grasp that or worse, do, but won't acknowledge it so your arguments are flawed and it doesn't advance your agenda of stopping deportation of illegal aliens.

Way to cower from the question. It was reported that the individual ice was after was convicted of domestic abuse. If true (that removes your excuse of ice lying) are you ok with that person staying in this country illegally? Man up and answer it. I don't have a problem stating where I stand on this hostile board.

LOL at your equating illegal immigration to speeding. That's your argument? You don't get to determine by throwing a hissy fit whether someone here illegally should stay thank god. You hate your political exploitation of illegal immigrants is being threatened. I have a very dear friend from Brazil who came here 9 years ago. Did it legally by filing for asylum at a port of entry. Has now paid $32,000 in legal fees and is still in limbo. Has been told by his attorney it could take 2 more years. I have offered to seek help from our congressional and Senate reps on his behalf. You know who he blames. It isn't trump. Rightfully its biden. If biden hadn't turned millions lose in the country we wouldn't be going through what is taking place. And trump was elected in large part due to biden's total fuck up of immigration. He sees far more clearly than this board. So, I hope every single person in this country that is here illegally is deported because they don't have a right to live here while my friend and his family have and continue to suffer. Get to the back of the line. What does your hypocrisy lead you to say to those people? So LOL at the hypocritical claim of compassion for people just trying to make a better life. You would rather have compassion for an illegal criminal than someone trying to immigrate to this country the right way or for American citizens who need help. Pretty fucked up way to go through life.
 
SmilingJack said:
Ask a Native American whose here illegally you obtuse SOB? Your myopia is the worms in your Kennedy crapsule belief that your feelings are facts?!?
What the literal eff is wrong with your mental scales? Seems like empathy has bypassed your weirdness and thought processes? Anyway we still love you man but we also know you are able to change your mindset. It’s up to you and while it may be hard it may also be liberating. I honestly hope so.
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Can't do much to undo wrongs done 150 or more years ago. But sure can avoid making similar mistakes. I will say this though, I'd far rather undertake things to remedy some of that than in what we are doing to protect illegal aliens in 2026
 
pspsps said:
We should be clear that the right is trying to use this video as justification for the execution of Alex Pretti. In a society with laws this video could show motive for his eventual execution. What is the likelihood his executioners were in that gang?

If this is the manner they want to launder execution then every single person in the first several ranks of the J6 insurrection could have been approached at the grocery store and shot dead by FBI agents.
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No, the right isn't. There is no justification for shooting Pretti. What the video shows is there is a risk of harm if you aren't peacefully protesting and try to get in the middle of a fed cop doing their job. Are you supporting a kid of yours (if you have any) acting as Pretti did? Or are you asking them to protest peacefully and record what's happening?
 
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