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All of the above. I also suspect some sort of masochistic streak. Why get bringing such weak shit when you are rightfully going to be treated with such disrespect?
 
Jetson said:
Is reality not a factor? Because the reality is that about 1 million people per year were being removed. Yes, maga dipshit perception was a factor, I already conceded that point. Y'all don't know what the fuck you're talking about, so perception is all you have. Alternative facts, etc. That's it.
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I don't think it's MAGA only that has concerns about the border and was aware of what happened under Biden.
Jetson said:
The clue you almost picked up on in the chart is absolutely related to the topic, but since you don't actually know anything, you missed it.

What is the different between a daily limit and increasing removals to numbers way above Trump's first term?
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Perception. The "crisis", despite what some here will say, wasn't made up. Kamala was appointed a border czar because of the high number of asylum seekers at the border. To my knowledge, she did nothing to actually address the short-term issue - aka (humanitarian) crisis.
Jetson said:
Also, what could a reason be for not increasing the daily limit? Well, there was a bipartisan border bill, which I've already mentioned, making it's way through Congress which would have given the ability to shut the border down during a surge. It was a republican wish list of immigration items over the last 10 years. And an actual fucking law is a lot better than an Executive order. It looked like it was going to pass, until Trump killed it so he could appear to morons like you.

Once the bill was dumped (and something else happened), there weren't other options.
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I don't know what to tell you. There was a known issue/crisis in early 2021 that the Biden admin decided to actually address in June of 2024. I believe the Republicans, Independents and probably some Democrats recognized the issue, not just MAGA.
Jetson said:
I bet you can't give a straight answer as to what your issues were with the border bill, other than Trump killing it, because you can't think for yourself...
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I had no issue with the border bill. I would have changed some things, but it was something.

FYI:
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TangledUpInBlue06 said:
And what if it's the fascists that prevent liberal leaders from protecting borders so that they can assume power running on the border issue?

www.azcentral.com

Donald Trump killed the bipartisan border bill to save his campaign

Trump killed a bipartisan bill because he knew it would render his entire campaign irrelevant. And now, he's visiting the Arizona border to complain.
www.azcentral.com www.azcentral.com
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Clearly a BS political move, one that happened long after the border issues were established during Biden's term.
 
Jetson said:
Is reality not a factor? Because the reality is that about 1 million people per year were being removed. Yes, maga dipshit perception was a factor, I already conceded that point. Y'all don't know what the fuck you're talking about, so perception is all you have. Alternative facts, etc. That's it.

The clue you almost picked up on in the chart is absolutely related to the topic, but since you don't actually know anything, you missed it.

What is the different between a daily limit and increasing removals to numbers way above Trump's first term?

Also, what could a reason be for not increasing the daily limit? Well, there was a bipartisan border bill, which I've already mentioned, making it's way through Congress which would have given the ability to shut the border down during a surge. It was a republican wish list of immigration items over the last 10 years. And an actual fucking law is a lot better than an Executive order. It looked like it was going to pass, until Trump killed it so he could appear to morons like you.

Once the bill was dumped (and something else happened), there weren't other options.

I bet you can't give a straight answer as to what your issues were with the border bill, other than Trump killing it, because you can't think for yourself...
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Also....

How Americans View the Situation at the U.S.-Mexico Border, Its Causes and Consequences​

80% say the U.S. government is doing a bad job handling the migrant influx

www.pewresearch.org

The U.S.-Mexico Border: How Americans View the Situation, Its Causes and Consequences

Americans overwhelmingly see the situation at the border as a problem and rate the government’s handling of it poorly. But partisans disagree about its cause and best solutions.
www.pewresearch.org www.pewresearch.org
 
Yes, everyone was aware. Politicians were trying to do something about it, and were doing something about it (actually revamping the system how it should have been done, writing new laws), to the tune of removing 1 million people per year, the fact you keep ignoring and dancing around while repeating "nothing" was done. It was "actually addressed". There's really no way around the fact that you're full of shit on this one. Your only argument is "perception", which is the opposite of reality, and what you keep falling back to.

Yes, the perception, since that's all you want to really talk about, applied to liberals, conservatives, and maga dipshits alike. When maga politicians continually lie, eventually there had to be a response. maga wasn't the only group with concerns, they were just the ones lying about the reality. There was also legitimately a surge, but no one controls how many people attempt to enter. The Biden administration was operating under the law, the asylum process included. The crisis was made up. maga keeps saying it was an influx of "criminals", yet crime was going down from 2022 through 2025, despite this influx of people.

So what exactly was the "crisis"? Your perception I mean, since you don't want to deal in reality, because dealing in reality means all of your arguments fall apart. So I'll live in maga fantasy world for a while...what was the crisis?
 
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Jetson said:
Yes, everyone was aware. Politicians were trying to do something about it, and were doing something about it (actually revamping the system how it should have been done, writing new laws), to the tune of removing 1 million people per year, the fact you keep ignoring and dancing around while repeating "nothing" was done. It was "actually addressed". There's really no way around the fact that you're full of shit on this one. Your only argument is "perception", which is the opposite of reality, and what you keep falling back to.

Yes, the perception, since that's all you want to really talk about, applied to liberals, conservatives, and maga dipshits alike. When maga politicians continually lie, eventually there had to be a response. maga wasn't the only group with concerns, they were just the ones lying about the reality. There was also legitimately a surge, but no one controls how many people attempt to enter. The Biden administration was operating under the law, the asylum process included. The crisis was made up. maga keeps saying it was an influx of "criminals", yet crime was going down from 2022 through 2025, despite this influx of people.

So what exactly was the "crisis"? Your perception I mean, since you don't want to deal in reality, because dealing in reality means all of your arguments fall apart. So I'll live in maga fantasy world for a while...what was the crisis?
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"So what exactly was the "crisis"?"

No Way Smh GIF

You clearly aren't taking this seriously.
 
What exactly is the crisis? What percentage of Americans are directly affected by people coming here from other countries? More Americans would be affected if they were all deported because then we wouldn't have enough people doing jobs like construction and roofing, and the cost would skyrocket and that is what would directly impact Americans.
 
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Keep it moving back to your alternative facts world, clown. You're done here.

Do your crime rates homework, like I told you to, maybe after that you'll be a little less dumb. Maybe.
 
Jetson said:
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Keep it moving back to your alternative facts world, clown. You're done here.

Do your crime rates homework, like I told you to, maybe after that you'll be a little less dumb. Maybe.
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I've done this with them before. They don't care about crime rates because they don't do math. They just see "migrant committed murder" and assume that fewer migrants means fewer crimes. Which it does. They don't understand the denominator.
 
ZenMode said:
you frame legal issues based on your political views
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Everyone does. I try my best not to, but of course I have a viewpoint. At least I know what I'm talking about.

It is not "framing" or "political views" that Biden started working on the border issue basically right after the pandemic was declared over. The thing you linked? It links to the Interim Final Rule, which describes the process -- when it started, what was done and by whom, etc. Those are just facts.

It would be fair to argue that Biden should have been pressing Congress to act before 2024. Maybe immigration provisions could have been put into the bipartisan infrastructure bill. Those are defensible positions. But they aren't yours lol. Maybe you should try them out, find out what it means to be informed.
 
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