If Trump Wins

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Man, if absolutely, positively nothing else is, *this* is so unbelievably disqualifying- the fact that he has such open contempt for our U.S. military servicemen and women. Just unfathomable, actually.
 
ZenMode said:
There's plenty of blame to go around. I'd probably say FDR started things off when he made weed illegal 80 years ago.
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FDR didn’t make weed illegal. I believe he just implemented a tax on Marijuana and used it to after people selling. It wasn’t made illegal until 1970.
 
ZenMode said:
There's plenty of blame to go around. I'd probably say FDR started things off when he made weed illegal 80 years ago.
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You seem to be agreeing that the criminalization of drugs is a failed experiment, but you also state that Oregon's experiment with legalization was also a failure. So which is it?
 
hedge said:
You seem to be agreeing that the criminalization of drugs is a failed experiment, but you also state that Oregon's experiment with legalization was also a failure. So which is it?
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It's both. You can keep hard drugs illegal and not put people in jail just for using them.
 
I’m not sure what we will do if Trump wins. Probably wait and see. But we have an escape hatch if needed.

When we were in Newfoundland last summer, my wife got all her documentation together (she was born on a US Navy base there to a US sailor and a Canadian mother) and she is now in possession of a Canadian passport. As a spouse of a citizen I would be a legal resident and I’m retired so I don’t need to work. altmin probably knows the details better than I, but I believe after 3 years she could sponsor me for citizenship.

We have no plans to follow that path but it’s nice to know it’s available.
 
CFordUNC said:
I have no agenda or ulterior motive for asking this other than genuine curiosity, and I want to ask some of my Trump supporting family members this too, but what, if anything, would be disqualifying enough for you to *not* cast a vote for Trump? (And I don’t mean vote for Harris as an alternative, I mean just not vote for Trump). For example, I know you know my FIL, and his final line in the sand for not voting for Trump was the 1-2 punch of Trump’s pro-Russia/anti-Ukraine stance, combined with Trump’s single-handed blocking of the GOP border security bill. I am almost certain he will not vote for Harris, but he has said he will absolutely not vote for Trump. Just curious to hear your perspective- and in fairness you could certainly turn right around and ask me what would be disqualifying enough for me to not vote for Harris and I’d be happy to respond.
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I’m voting for Trump over Harris in like 2 weeks when early voting begins, and not much can change my mind at this point.

The COVID aftermath in this country and then subsequently the weaponization of the DOJ against Donald Trump have gotten me to a point where I can’t see myself voting for a Democrat for POTUS any time soon. I am frustrated that Trump is the Republican candidate this go round (feels kind of like Mack Brown still being our coach, lol) but I still support him over the alternative.
 
CFordUNC said:
I have no agenda or ulterior motive for asking this other than genuine curiosity, and I want to ask some of my Trump supporting family members this too, but what, if anything, would be disqualifying enough for you to *not* cast a vote for Trump? (And I don’t mean vote for Harris as an alternative, I mean just not vote for Trump). For example, I know you know my FIL, and his final line in the sand for not voting for Trump was the 1-2 punch of Trump’s pro-Russia/anti-Ukraine stance, combined with Trump’s single-handed blocking of the GOP border security bill. I am almost certain he will not vote for Harris, but he has said he will absolutely not vote for Trump. Just curious to hear your perspective- and in fairness you could certainly turn right around and ask me what would be disqualifying enough for me to not vote for Harris and I’d be happy to respond.
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That's my dad too.

He supported 45 in 2016 and 2020. HE mentioned in front of me about how bad Trump looked in Greensboro on video, and how he drags his leg. He swears he won't vote for him due to his health, but he also won't vote for Kamala.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
The COVID aftermath in this country and then subsequently the weaponization of the DOJ against Donald Trump
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1. What did a Democratic president do in the "COVID aftermath" that was so dramatic that you can't vote for a Demcorat?

2. You're better than this second point. Seriously. You're smart enough to realize that claims have been brought against Trump for all sorts of legitimate claims by all sorts of charging authorities, not just the DOJ. You can't be serious about that being a reason you can't vote for a Democrat, especially because Trump has repeatedly said he'll use the DOJ against his political opponents. Come on.
 
ZenMode said:
I agree with most of what you said.

I'm not saying Trump isn't the leader of the party...which is why I hope he goes away. All I'm saying is that there are things that Trump has done and said that he should be accountable for, but he shouldn't be held accountable for things that others in the Republican party do. Like I said, I don't blame Biden/Harris for Oregon's failed legalized drug experiment. I don't blame Biden/Harris for San Francisco's issues. If Florida went to crap during covid, because DeSantis opened too soon, I wouldn't blame Trump for that.
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trump consistently empowers all of the worst people and policy that the GOP has to offer. he's endorsing the politicians and appointing the judges who are writing and enforcing laws that are dangerous and damaging for women, POC and the lgbtq community.

core tenets of the GOP platform that are wildly discriminatory and being written into law in states all over the ENTIRE country are not comparable in any way, shape or form to some dem leaders in ONE state attempting to solve a problem in an unorthodox way and then immediately reversing course when it was clear that the plan was backfiring. and again, dem leaders in san francisco trying to manage the complicated morass that is homelessness, drug use, etc. in a large city with a mild climate is not remotely comparable to core tenets of the GOP platform that are leading to written law all over this entire country that disenfranchises the lgbtq community.

you trying to equate these things just really misses the mark.
 
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HeelYeah2012 said:
I’m voting for Trump over Harris in like 2 weeks when early voting begins, and not much can change my mind at this point.

The COVID aftermath in this country and then subsequently the weaponization of the DOJ against Donald Trump have gotten me to a point where I can’t see myself voting for a Democrat for POTUS any time soon. I am frustrated that Trump is the Republican candidate this go round (feels kind of like Mack Brown still being our coach, lol) but I still support him over the alternative.
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Your reasons are bullshit.
 
4thgenheel said:
trump consistently empowers all of the worst people and policy that the GOP has to offer. he's endorsing the politicians and appointing the judges who are writing and enforcing laws that are dangerous and damaging for women, POC and the lgbtq community.

core tenets of the GOP platform that are wildly discriminatory and being written into law in states all over the ENTIRE country are not comparable in any way, shape or form to some dem leaders in ONE state attempting to solve a problem in an unorthodox way and then immediately reversing course when it was clear that the plan was backfiring. and again, dem leaders in san francisco trying to manage the complicated morass that is homelessness, drug use, etc. in a large city with a mild climate is not remotely comparable to core tenets of the GOP platform that are leading to written law all over this entire country that disenfranchises the lgbtq community.

you trying to equate these things just really misses the mark.
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Heelyeah wants to vote for Trump and backfills the reasons why. He's fine voting for democrats at the state-wide level because there is still republican legislative and supreme court control in NC.

But at bottom, Heelyeah's tribal identity is republican. He can't envision himself voting for a democrat. It would cause him cognitive dissonance. So to maintain his sense of self, he manufactures reasons why Trump is the better candidate. He doesn't really believe those things, but he also can't accept a world where he votes for a democratic presidential candidate.
 
Calheel said:
Heelyeah wants to vote for Trump and backfills the reasons why. He's fine voting for democrats at the state-wide level because there is still republican legislative and supreme court control in NC.

But at bottom, Heelyeah's tribal identity is republican. He can't envision himself voting for a democrat. It would cause him cognitive dissonance. So to maintain his sense of self, he manufactures reasons why Trump is the better candidate. He doesn't really believe those things, but he also can't accept a world where he votes for a democratic presidential candidate.
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The fact that there are 10s of millions of people just like HY2012, whose tribal identity overrides basic human decency on multiple levels…well, that should be cause for major concern.
 
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