If You Were EVER a Republican...WHY? Part Two: What role did Carolina play in your leaving behind the GOP?

Callatoroy said:
1 of those times was driven by Newt and the republican controlled congress. Clinton was forced to play ball.

I am well and I hope you are. Would never block you - always been cool with you. Or anyone really, regardless of how much I disagree with them. Ignore is for weak minded vaginas. I use to enjoy the board more but realized nothing really gets an objective discussion so I don't have any problem stepping away for days or weeks. To few conservative voices to balance anything out. Wasn't ignoring you at all. just reached my tolerance level of arguing when you had replied to my comments. Always enjoy interacting with you.
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vaginas aren't weak you misogynist little shitbird.
 
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ChileG said:
If your first paragraph is true, then why did the same Republican Congress vote to blow up the deficit the very next year when Bush was president?
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To continue on this subject…the bill that lead to the budget being balanced 4-5 years later did not get a single Republican vote in the Senate. It took Al Gore giving the tie-breaking vote to pass the Senate.
The bill passed in the House by two votes and also got zero votes from the GOP.
The idea that the deficit was balanced because of the GOP is pure fantasy and revisionist history.
 
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4thgenheel said:
vaginas aren't weak you misogynist little prick.
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lol. spoken like a true liberal snowflake. you can't read between the lines. it sounds better than saying people who use ignore because they can't tolerate dissent are weak minded pussies. You do understand that that word used in that context is universally understood to mean weak / soft don't you?

On a personal level not misogynist at all. I love vaginas and more importantly I respect the power of the vagina. I'm just glad the owners of the vaginas don't fully grasp the power they possess. I supported a vagina for potus in the last republican primary and hopefully will in the next primary.
 
Callatoroy said:
lol. spoken like a true liberal snowflake. you can't read between the lines. it sounds better than saying people who use ignore because they can't tolerate dissent are weak minded pussies. You do understand that that word used in that context is universally understood to mean weak / soft don't you?

On a personal level not misogynist at all. I love vaginas and more importantly I respect the power of the vagina. I'm just glad the owners of the vaginas don't fully grasp the power they possess. I supported a vagina for potus in the last republican primary and hopefully will in the next primary.
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You "supported a vagina for potus in the last republican primary"?

Good grief, even when you try to compliment women you come across as a misogynistic ass.
 
SnoopRob said:
You "supported a vagina for potus in the last republican primary"?

Good grief, even when you try to compliment women you come across as a misogynistic ass.
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sarcasm meter broken? of course you view it that way. just as 4thgen took my comment to be misogynistic. you are a liberal who is seemingly physiologically predisposed to political correctness and to find "offense" in everything. Your mind shuts down, your hands go over your ears, you stomp your feet and hold your breath when faced with differing political views and your first response is to censor (or in your case ban people if in a position to do so). It's like a default setting to find offense in something and apply a label. Only a liberal could interpret saying "people who place others on ignore because they disagree with them are weak minded vaginas" (rather than pussies) as misogynistic. You must have gotten your ass kicked a lot as a kid.

In reality I hold women in very high regard. In almost every case women who worked for me worked harder than the men in similar roles and consistently were more productive and efficient. I look forward to the day we have a republican woman as potus.
 
CFordUNC said:
I've been meaning to join this thread as I've read each and every single post and have really, really enjoyed seeing everyone share their different perspectives and life experiences. It's really fun to get to know a little more about each poster personally. Obviously the vast majority of us don't know one another in real life, but this is a pretty tight-knit community online and I've grown to admire a whole lot of folks with whom I share this tiny speck of the internet.

I've shared several times over the years that I grew up in a rural, working class/low-income, deeply religious Southern Baptist family (the 'twice on Sundays and once on Wednesdays' kind, with lots of hellfire and brimstone in between). I was the very first person (and still one of the very few- less than 5) in my entire extended family to go to college- out of parents, four grandparents, 18 sets of aunts and uncles, and 62 first cousins. The overwhelming vast majority of my family still live exactly where they grew up. I think I'm one of maybe 5 or 6 in the whole family who don't live in the same county in which I was born.

I grew up as a deep-red, hard-core conservative Republican. I thought Ronald Reagan- though he was before I as even born- was the be-all, end-all of presidents. I listened to Rush Limbaugh on the radio with my dad. I got books written by Ann Coulter and Ron Paul for Christmas and thought they were hilarious ("How to Talk to a Liberal...If You Must" and "If Democrats Had Any Brains They'd Be Republicans" and "Treason: Liberal Treachery" and "The Godless Left"). I generally believed immigrants were criminals, brown people were mostly lazy free-loaders, poor people needed to just get a job, gay people were gross (and sinners!), America was the greatest at literally everything and every other country and culture sucked, and so on and so forth. That's all a bit hyperbolic, but in general described my world view growing up.

I remained conservative all throughout college and even beyond, voting for Trump in 2016 because I thought that the guy who was the "You're fired" guy from The Apprentice must be a super smart businessman who "tells it like it is" and was a political outsider who would reign in all of the corruption in Washington...and plus he annoyed liberals as an added bonus. Oh, and Hillary Clinton was, like, public enemy #1 to any good God-fearing, red-blooded, America-loving patriotic conservative.

For me personally, my political and ideological change began occurring gradually during the first Trump administration. There was never a singular "flip the switch" moment or anything like that- more of a steady 'drip, drip' drip' type thing. In mid-2017 I changed careers and began doing what I currently do, which involves a ton of traveling all over the country, meeting and interacting with a ton of different people with different backgrounds. It was the first time in my life I had ever traveled extensively outside of North Carolina. So for the very first time, I was going to places that growing up I'd heard were big, scary, crime-infested liberal shitholes- places like New York City, San Francisco, Washington DC, Los Angeles, Atlanta, etc. And not only did I find that those places were actually absolutely amazing places with tons of different people and cultures, they were safe and....gasp...fun! It became a heck of a lot harder to believe that immigrants and brown people were lazy free-loaders when I'd see them working their asses off in hotels, in restaurants, on construction sites. It became a lot harder to think that LGBTQ people were icky when I started meeting them and enjoying their acquaintance or friendship. It became harder to think that poor people just needed to get a job when I saw them doing just that, working their tails off in thankless jobs for few wages.

At the same time as my world view was expanding and changing due to my newfound ability to actually get out and see the world, I started paying a lot closer attention to politics. And what I saw and heard when I did so was a whole bunch of lying, gaslighting, and shocking nastiness from the president of the United States- a guy I'd voted to elect. What I saw and heard was nothing at all like what I'd heard and read of Ronald Reagan, or George H.W. Bush, or Bill Clinton, or George W. Bush, or Barack Obama. And then I saw so many sycophants and enablers in the Republican Party at the national level- especially in Congress- who refused to reign him in. That started to really irritate me.

The straw that broke the camel's back for me was the way that Trump handled the onset of the pandemic in early 2020. Even by that time I had soured on him and the GOP tremendously, but had told myself that the economy was doing great, I was making a lot of money, things felt 'good' overall, and why upset the apple cart- I could probably hold my nose and vote for him again. Then the COVID-19 pandemic happened, and instead of being a leader through adversity, Trump was a coward and a liar who exacerbated the adversity and was the primary force that turned what should have been a unifying moment for our country to come together to help each other, into partisan nastiness. And the rest, as they say, is history. If one were to look back on my posting history on the old ZZLP, you'd see outright defense of Trump in 2017 turn to half-hearted defense of Trump in 2018, to general hand-waving dismissiveness about Trump in 2019 because the economy was so good, to disagreement in February and March 2020 with his rhetoric around the pandemic, to outright anger in April and May 2020, to full-fledged hatred in June after I watched him use the United States military to shoot rubber bullets and beat the hell out of protestors in Lafayette Square.

I am certain that my politics and my ideology would have changed and moderated tremendously even if Trump never happened. I have no doubt about it, in fact. That's what getting out and seeing the world and interacting with tons of different people and seeing tons of different places can do. But there's no question in my mind that the way the entire Republican Party has completely surrendered every single solitary aspect of classical conservatism to a conman criminal who is the exact antithesis of conservatism, is something I don't think I'll ever get over. I won't rule out voting for Republicans again in the future, but I know beyond a shadow of a doubt it isn't happening at any time in which any vestiges of Trumpism remain. I don't identify as a Democrat or as a liberal, and I certainly do not like or agree with everything that the Democratic Party does, but I am more than happy to vote for them and with them these days as I believe that however flawed their methodologies or ideologies may be at times, they genuinely have a better vision and better goals and better policy aims for how I personally want the United States of America to be governed.

Sorry the the rambling and for the length!
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Callatoroy said:
lol. spoken like a true liberal snowflake. you can't read between the lines. it sounds better than saying people who use ignore because they can't tolerate dissent are weak minded pussies. You do understand that that word used in that context is universally understood to mean weak / soft don't you?

On a personal level not misogynist at all. I love vaginas and more importantly I respect the power of the vagina. I'm just glad the owners of the vaginas don't fully grasp the power they possess. I supported a vagina for potus in the last republican primary and hopefully will in the next primary.
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spoken like a dipshit misogynist.

the word being used in that context is TEXTBOOK misogyny, period. end of. assigning negative traits like weakness to female body parts or women in general is misogyny, period. end of.

i'd say do better, but we all know that you aren't capable. sad, stupid little sack of shit that you are.
 
Callatoroy said:
sarcasm meter broken? of course you view it that way. just as 4thgen took my comment to be misogynistic. you are a liberal who is seemingly physiologically predisposed to political correctness and to find "offense" in everything. Your mind shuts down, your hands go over your ears, you stomp your feet and hold your breath when faced with differing political views and your first response is to censor (or in your case ban people if in a position to do so). It's like a default setting to find offense in something and apply a label. Only a liberal could interpret saying "people who place others on ignore because they disagree with them are weak minded vaginas" (rather than pussies) as misogynistic. You must have gotten your ass kicked a lot as a kid.

In reality I hold women in very high regard. In almost every case women who worked for me worked harder than the men in similar roles and consistently were more productive and efficient. I look forward to the day we have a republican woman as potus.
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i didn't take your comment to be misogynistic, you dumbfuck. it is in fact textbook misogyny. don't blame me because you're a raging misogynist.
 
CFordUNC said:
I've been meaning to join this thread as I've read each and every single post and have really, really enjoyed seeing everyone share their different perspectives and life experiences. It's really fun to get to know a little more about each poster personally. Obviously the vast majority of us don't know one another in real life, but this is a pretty tight-knit community online and I've grown to admire a whole lot of folks with whom I share this tiny speck of the internet.

I've shared several times over the years that I grew up in a rural, working class/low-income, deeply religious Southern Baptist family (the 'twice on Sundays and once on Wednesdays' kind, with lots of hellfire and brimstone in between). I was the very first person (and still one of the very few- less than 5) in my entire extended family to go to college- out of parents, four grandparents, 18 sets of aunts and uncles, and 62 first cousins. The overwhelming vast majority of my family still live exactly where they grew up. I think I'm one of maybe 5 or 6 in the whole family who don't live in the same county in which I was born.

I grew up as a deep-red, hard-core conservative Republican. I thought Ronald Reagan- though he was before I as even born- was the be-all, end-all of presidents. I listened to Rush Limbaugh on the radio with my dad. I got books written by Ann Coulter and Ron Paul for Christmas and thought they were hilarious ("How to Talk to a Liberal...If You Must" and "If Democrats Had Any Brains They'd Be Republicans" and "Treason: Liberal Treachery" and "The Godless Left"). I generally believed immigrants were criminals, brown people were mostly lazy free-loaders, poor people needed to just get a job, gay people were gross (and sinners!), America was the greatest at literally everything and every other country and culture sucked, and so on and so forth. That's all a bit hyperbolic, but in general described my world view growing up.

I remained conservative all throughout college and even beyond, voting for Trump in 2016 because I thought that the guy who was the "You're fired" guy from The Apprentice must be a super smart businessman who "tells it like it is" and was a political outsider who would reign in all of the corruption in Washington...and plus he annoyed liberals as an added bonus. Oh, and Hillary Clinton was, like, public enemy #1 to any good God-fearing, red-blooded, America-loving patriotic conservative.

For me personally, my political and ideological change began occurring gradually during the first Trump administration. There was never a singular "flip the switch" moment or anything like that- more of a steady 'drip, drip' drip' type thing. In mid-2017 I changed careers and began doing what I currently do, which involves a ton of traveling all over the country, meeting and interacting with a ton of different people with different backgrounds. It was the first time in my life I had ever traveled extensively outside of North Carolina. So for the very first time, I was going to places that growing up I'd heard were big, scary, crime-infested liberal shitholes- places like New York City, San Francisco, Washington DC, Los Angeles, Atlanta, etc. And not only did I find that those places were actually absolutely amazing places with tons of different people and cultures, they were safe and....gasp...fun! It became a heck of a lot harder to believe that immigrants and brown people were lazy free-loaders when I'd see them working their asses off in hotels, in restaurants, on construction sites. It became a lot harder to think that LGBTQ people were icky when I started meeting them and enjoying their acquaintance or friendship. It became harder to think that poor people just needed to get a job when I saw them doing just that, working their tails off in thankless jobs for few wages.

At the same time as my world view was expanding and changing due to my newfound ability to actually get out and see the world, I started paying a lot closer attention to politics. And what I saw and heard when I did so was a whole bunch of lying, gaslighting, and shocking nastiness from the president of the United States- a guy I'd voted to elect. What I saw and heard was nothing at all like what I'd heard and read of Ronald Reagan, or George H.W. Bush, or Bill Clinton, or George W. Bush, or Barack Obama. And then I saw so many sycophants and enablers in the Republican Party at the national level- especially in Congress- who refused to reign him in. That started to really irritate me.

The straw that broke the camel's back for me was the way that Trump handled the onset of the pandemic in early 2020. Even by that time I had soured on him and the GOP tremendously, but had told myself that the economy was doing great, I was making a lot of money, things felt 'good' overall, and why upset the apple cart- I could probably hold my nose and vote for him again. Then the COVID-19 pandemic happened, and instead of being a leader through adversity, Trump was a coward and a liar who exacerbated the adversity and was the primary force that turned what should have been a unifying moment for our country to come together to help each other, into partisan nastiness. And the rest, as they say, is history. If one were to look back on my posting history on the old ZZLP, you'd see outright defense of Trump in 2017 turn to half-hearted defense of Trump in 2018, to general hand-waving dismissiveness about Trump in 2019 because the economy was so good, to disagreement in February and March 2020 with his rhetoric around the pandemic, to outright anger in April and May 2020, to full-fledged hatred in June after I watched him use the United States military to shoot rubber bullets and beat the hell out of protestors in Lafayette Square.

I am certain that my politics and my ideology would have changed and moderated tremendously even if Trump never happened. I have no doubt about it, in fact. That's what getting out and seeing the world and interacting with tons of different people and seeing tons of different places can do. But there's no question in my mind that the way the entire Republican Party has completely surrendered every single solitary aspect of classical conservatism to a conman criminal who is the exact antithesis of conservatism, is something I don't think I'll ever get over. I won't rule out voting for Republicans again in the future, but I know beyond a shadow of a doubt it isn't happening at any time in which any vestiges of Trumpism remain. I don't identify as a Democrat or as a liberal, and I certainly do not like or agree with everything that the Democratic Party does, but I am more than happy to vote for them and with them these days as I believe that however flawed their methodologies or ideologies may be at times, they genuinely have a better vision and better goals and better policy aims for how I personally want the United States of America to be governed.

Sorry the the rambling and for the length!
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If it's OK with you, I'd like to copy, paste and send to some folks - not a lot of folks - just everybody on my social media page, haha! (I only do Crackbook). With your permission, I'll edit out some bits about IC or the former ZZL or things which no one else could fathom. I'll be glad to cite my source as "CFordUNC" or whatever pseudonym fits your pleasure.
 
I too have been reluctant to chime in on this thread. I never registered Republican nor voted in a Republican primary - except as an Independent unaffiliated voter. (First vote was 1980).

I grew up in a Republican household in the 1960’s/70’s. My mother was the president of the “Republicans Women’s Club” from our County. Both parents were active members of the local, State and National GOP and were invited to Reagan’s first Inaugural Ball in D.C. in 1981. Tuxedos and evening gowns. The whole bit.

My father eventually figured it out during the Bush II years and the aftermath of 9/11. He voted for Obama twice and didn’t vote for Trump once. My father passed away in December 2020 (after voting for Biden) before the Jan. 6 debacle. I’m glad he didn’t live to witness that.
 
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UNCatTech said:
Yes, but maybe his thought that the Republicans were fiscally responsible was wrong. I felt the same way, but the data doesn't support it. While neight party is good in this area, the only two times we came close to balancing the budget in the lastb50 years was under democratic leadership.

Reagan talked a good game but he never had a balanced budget and trickle down was a joke.

Hope you're doing well, I figured you had me blocked seeing that you've not responded to any questions I posed in the last few weeks.
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One thing that has been virtually forgotten under Trump, for the very good reason that his first and (so far) second terms have been clusterfucks of simply epic proportions, is just how awful George W. Bush was as POTUS. He had an historically bad presidency, and the 2006 and 2008 elections were in part a massive rejection of his administration. The Iraq War and fake intel used to get us into it, passing No Child Left Behind without ever providing adequate funding to public schools to implement it, his incompetent handling of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans (even Fox News slammed him for that one), the economic collapse in 2008 (which came close to a total economic meltdown), and on and on.

The election of Trump was the best thing to ever happen to Dubya and the historical reputation of his administration - no matter how bad he was, Trump will always be worse. Republican Presidents in the 21st Century have been putrid, to say the least.
 
donbosco said:
"Then the COVID-19 pandemic happened, and instead of being a leader through adversity, Trump was a coward and a liar who exacerbated the adversity and was the primary force that turned what should have been a unifying moment for our country to come together to help each other, into partisan nastiness."

THIS. It was an opportunity not simply squandered but where the negative was magnified tenfold by the nature of the cretin's so-called character.
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And there should be no doubt that if Covid happened in his second term it would actually have been far worse. At least in his first term he still had some competent and sane people around him, like Dr. Fauci, even though Trump quickly came to hate his guts. Given the clown show cabinet and directors he has now it would likely be far worse - like forbidding a covid vaccine from even being created, or passing laws banning anyone from wearing masks, or issuing executive orders forcing public schools to stay open even at the height of the pandemic. His handling of covid was terrible, but if it happened today it would be much worse.
 
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Mulberry Heel said:
One thing that has been virtually forgotten under Trump, for the very good reason that his first and (so far) second terms have been clusterfucks of simply epic proportions, is just how awful George W. Bush was as POTUS. He had an historically bad presidency, and the 2006 and 2008 elections were in part a massive rejection of his administration. The Iraq War and fake intel used to get us into it, passing No Child Left Behind without ever providing adequate funding to public schools to implement it, his incompetent handling of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans (even Fox News slammed him for that one), the economic collapse in 2008 (which came close to a total economic meltdown), and on and on.

The election of Trump was the best thing to ever happen to Dubya and the historical reputation of his administration - no matter how bad he was, Trump will always be worse. Republican Presidents in the 21st Century have been putrid, to say the least.
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His first term was so bad that 77 million people signed up for more. Do you ever stop and question how illogical shit you post like that is? You should because in this very case you are in the minority of people who thought that.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
And there should be no doubt that if Covid happened in his second term it would actually have been far worse. At least in his first term he still had some competent and sane people around him, like Dr. Fauci, even thought Trump quickly came to hate his guts. Given the clown show cabinet and directors he has now it would likely be far worse - like forbidding a covid vaccine from even being created, or passing laws banning anyone from wearing masks, or issuing executive orders forcing public schools to stay open even at the height of the pandemic. His handling of covid was terrible, but I today it would be much worse.
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mRNA research - the hero that ended the pandemic - is not being funded and the secretary of the HHS is an anti-vaccine nut. I shudder to think what will happen if another pandemic hits us in the next 6-8 years. And with all the preventative measures being cut, the chance of another pandemic is likely greater now than it has been in a long time (although that is just my feeling, not based on anything I’ve read or heard).
 
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