I'm a former IC ZZL/P Mod = AMA

  • Thread starter Thread starter SnoopRob
  • Start date Start date
  • Replies: 772
  • Views: 12K
  • Off-Topic 
UNCatTech said:
You two get a room. 😁
Click to expand...
Ha! Fair enough. I do just want to point out, though, that rarely do I proactively instigate any shit talking to another poster unprovoked (incidentally, I did do it on this thread with the yellow jacket dude, whom I simply don’t like). The vast majority of my trash talking is almost always in response to some moron deciding to engage me first when I’ve said nothing to them in particular. When that happens, I am more than happy to indulge them- I’ve been very honest for a while now that it is a character flaw of mine.
 
Last edited:
ZenMode said:
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that's 95% of the world is straight and 5% is gay. If those two groups switch places, do you think birth rates would increase, decrease or remain unchanged?
Click to expand...
Oh, you're basing normal on ability to continue the species. One could also consider those who believe science vs those that don't believe science. In a hypothetical world where everyone who believed science suddenly stopped, and things like climate change were entirely ignored, I'd say the species would come to an end within the next couple hundred years. Fact. So I guess you could say anyone who doesn't believe in climate change should also be called abnormal.
 
SnoopRob said:
I'm going to try to summarize your various points and then respond to them.

You complain that you were not allowed to use the racially-charged historical terms "Uncle Tom" and "kapo" to describe current folks who you believe to be acting against the best interest of those in their race as a whole. As we explained to you at the time, the use of racist or racially-derogatory terms is forbidden by IC rules as a means to prevent racially-bigoted posts. There's no exemption for "But I'm using these racist/racially-derogatory terms in a good way". And so you - along with everyone else - were forbidden to use them.

Also, vojak and Ovshinsky weren't banned as a "defense" against liberal bias, they were banned because they showed up on threads to with the intent to make the thread all about them and didn't actually engage with other posters and their posts. Their bans were the result of routinely failing to engage in decent discussions with others and instead showing up mostly to make the thread about themselves...which was deemed a form of trolling.

You also mention the allowance of personal attacks. With the ZZLP, the site PTB (independent of the mods themselves) decided to allow an experiment to loosen the rules on one board regarding personal attacks. Before loosening this rule, a lot of time was spent by posters whining about personal attacks and attempting to utilize the mods as a weapon against posters they disliked. Many posters worked very, very hard to push and push to determine exactly where the line of personal attacks was and then camped out on it. There were many recurring discussions regarding which exact terms were prohibited and would get someone a ban and which were prohibited and would only get someone a tsk-tsk from the mods and which were deemed acceptable. Instead, the rules against personal attacks were loosened so that only worst of insults (bigoted slurs/attacks, obscenities, attacks on family, etc) were deemed worthy of mod action. It didn't do much to prevent folks from attacking each other or whining about the attacks, but it very much got the mods out of the middle in determining the exact "naughty line" with regard to personal attacks and made it much clearer and easier for mods to address personal attacks. It was fairly successful in getting the mods out of the minutae of personal attacks, but at a tradeoff of increasing the vehemence of personal attacks used.

The moderation around sharing of copyrighted material was lacking in certain areas. Good message board discussions thrive on access to information regarding the subjects under discussion and, unfortunately, that information may often be in copyrighted work. There likely could and should have been better enforcement of copyright on the board. Some of that was probably that it takes quite a bit of work to examine every thread for copyrighted work and some was likely that sharing such work led to better discussion, but that's more of an explanation than any real excuse. That thought doesn't extend to social media meant to be distributed to the public such as tweets. There is no expectation of copyright on a tweet because the entire purpose of twitter is to publish thoughts into the public square for consideration and further distribution. It'd be like taking out a billboard on a heavily trafficked road and then complaining that people are looking at said billboard. There were no copyright issues with allowing the sharing of tweets.

I think that covers all of your concerns. If I missed something, please point it out and I'll address it.
Click to expand...
I was sincere in my appreciation of your work and decision to confront the accusations and insinuations of your motives, but I dismiss this response as knee jerk defensiveness, an evasion, really.

I think it’s ridiculous to remove from our vernacular terms that effectively describe a PERSONALITY TYPE that has historical reference merely because of the race of the players. But I also understand the nanny impulse that permeated the old board and your facility in that project.

I’m also gonna pull rank on the copyright issue. Not only do I understand the parameters of fair use, I have drafted terms of use that address the subject and can confirm that Xitter’s includes the standard claim of copyright and prohibition of republication beyond their platform. The fact that Xitter (among many others) lacks the inclination to enforce assertively its rights is no excuse for a decision not to enforce your own stated policy. Y’all just didn’t think it mattered and failed to recognize the consequential slippery slope.

Your self-defensive spinning is the new normal but it’s a bad look that betrays your otherwise admirable openness to examination.
 
I don't know much about copyright, but doesn't Twitter have "share via.." buttons? Seems like they're encouraging their content to be shared on a host of platforms outside their own...
 
Here we are - updated resolution of the screen-cap of BA07's right-before-being-banned poast:

10808514.jpeg
 
hedge said:
I don't know much about copyright, but doesn't Twitter have "share via.." buttons? Seems like they're encouraging their content to be shared on a host of platforms outside their own...
Click to expand...
The embed feature, which auto formats tweets on forums, wouldn't work if Twitter didn't allow it; they could turn that off in seconds if that was their policy. They literally will do it for you if your forum or program doesn't auto-format. Twitter Publish
 
altmin said:
The embed feature, which auto formats tweets on forums, wouldn't work if Twitter didn't allow it; they could turn that off in seconds if that was their policy. They literally will do it for you if your forum or program doesn't auto-format. Twitter Publish
Click to expand...
This is literally the code to embed a tweet. The parts in the yellow are what make it work. It says 'make everything between "block quote" and "/block quote" look like a tweet.' And 'Hey browser what I mean by "look like a tweet" is: go to this url and reference this script and it will make it look just how we want it.'

In theory Twitter could change that code to make the backdrop of every tweet shared on the Internet have a picture of Elon Musk behind the text. They could also simply say "do not format this you dirty thief" by editing that widgets.js script. They do not want to do that though.twitter.png
 
dcf2 said:
Mostly as a bat signal to bum...

Group selection for homosexuality as a counter to sexual selection decreasing overall group fecundity seem very likely. Under this model absence of homosexual individuals in a population would be abnormal.
Click to expand...

It worked! lol

ETA at this point about all you're going to see from me is snark and scorn, I'm done putting actual time into arguing with nitwits on the internet. I've served my time and am out of patience and tolerance.
 
Last edited:
bumeister said:
It worked! lol

ETA at this point about all you're going to see from me is snark and scorn, I'm done putting actual time into arguing with nitwits on the internet. I've served my time and am out of patience and tolerance.
Click to expand...
dammit bummy! You're no fun anymore!
 
NCK9 said:
What about kik, randman, and Sandinista? Powers that be?
Click to expand...
kik is still posting away.

The glory days of randman were before my moderator time, but he had a board-specific ban from the ZZL when those still existed. When that capability went away, he was given the first(?) of the "stay on the sports boards" deals, which he accepted and follows. He still posts on IC, although not anywhere near the frequency that he did back in the day.

Sandi was a PTB ban, as were all the s-boys. Those were in place before I ever became a mod, although there was one time when they were briefly allowed to post again while I was a mod. Briefly.

That's kind of a funny story. With one of the board updates after 247 took over, all of the bans got wiped out. There was a crazy time once it was figured out where we were having to go in and manually reinstate bans. Eventually 247 got it resolved and all former bans were restored, but there was a short period of time where there were essentially no bans in place.
 
ZenMode said:
That additional entry doesn't change the portion I posted, though I would be worried, as would you, if the population of the world suddenly switched places as far as attraction is concerned, because it would put the survival of human beings at risk.
Click to expand...
its obviously important context and you leaving it out is bad faith nonsense.
 
superrific said:
And normal is a judgment. It is not a perfect synonym for "most common." You've dug in so far on this point that you will never retreat, but the word you're looking for is atypical. Abnormal is just wrong.
Click to expand...
yeah, there's an entire netflix show about a kid with autism (and his family) called "atypical."

his sister is gay, too. cute show.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top