I'm a former IC ZZL/P Mod = AMA

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heel79 said:
Tell me one right leaning view that you think I have. Should be easy.
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I don't track your political views on an issue by issue basis.

Your lean largely came through in your political posts where you would routinely go after liberals but barely criticize conservatives.
 
superrific said:
1. ZZL posters seeking to have you fired is . . . well, this is our new America. I just read an article about people threatening meteorologists for reporting on hurricanes. Sigh.

2. I remember that column differently than you do. While I would normally give you the benefit of the doubt (you know, as the author), I also think you've been backpedaling from it and seeking to downplay it. It sure came across to me (and many others) as the airing of grievances about your terrible treatment at the hands of board liberals. If you had ever admitted that it was boneheaded and laughed at yourself a bit, it would have gone a long way.

3. I do not remember any hard right positions you've taken. On the other hand, what has become a "hard right" position has been dumbed down to the point where "not having hard right views" isn't much to brag about. Still, I don't think anyone has ever confused you for posters like Calla.

4. I don't think you're consciously racist, but most commonly you belittle claims of racism when it's at issue. I just don't think you've really accepted that racism isn't only about personal bigotry, which is why "berating local school boards for passing on a more qualified AA" isn't the flex you think it is. It is racist, unquestionably, for a school board to depart from "meritocracy" in favor of a white candidate. But the bigger issue is that the very idea of "the best candidate for the job" is commonly a myth, and one that works against black people in systemic ways. That's not to say I oppose "meritocracy" in all its forms; only that it was an idea introduced to combat legacy wealth and was then co-opted by conservatives in race wars and put to work on a task for which it was never designed and cannot be defended.
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I just reread column and while ZZL is a part, the point was otherwise. It began with me telling story of being kicked out of an Atlanta bar. I had been asked to take a two week sabbatical from.zzl which I agreed to but a thread in which I was basically attacked repeatedly was allowed to remain open during which I was called a monster and mentally ill. And I was not allowed to respond . Understand I had done nothing ban worthy but my presence turned the board toxic. I submit some aggressive moderating could have helped. Water under bridge. Hell I had forgotten about my voluntary sabbatical.
 
SnoopRob said:
I don't track your political views on an issue by issue basis.

Your lean largely came through in your political posts where you would routinely go after liberals but barely criticize conservatives.
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Fair. Born of my belief that they were treated unfairly. But interesting you can't think of a single right wing position I pushed .
 
heel79 said:
Fair. Born of my belief that they were treated unfairly. But interesting you can't think of a single right wing position I pushed .
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You rarely came out and directly said what you believed. Instead, you did the same thing then a that you're doing now...made veiled references & refused to be plain about your beliefs and then hid behind some kind of "prove it" defense when folks picked up on it and called it out.

I'm not talking anything about moderation, but when you would indirectly discuss political issues (as you rarely discussed them directly).

It's no coincidence that posters on this thread have largely agreed that you hold right-leaning views. You get that, right, that it's not that everyone else here is mistaken about you?
 
Asking this in all genuine sincerity. Can anyone give an example of how conservative posters were ever mistreated or treated unfairly? I ask because I was an outspoken Republican-voting conservative poster for several years on the ZZL/ZZLP until 2020- including that I was open about having voted for Trump in 2016- and I never, ever once felt like I was mistreated or treated unfairly. I got pushback upon for several of my stated beliefs and perspectives, and had many of my views challenged. But I learned and grew from it. Not only that, but I never thought that other conservative posters were mistreated or treated unfairly simply for being conservatives. I saw conservative posters who participated in shit talking, name calling, insults, and peddling bullshit , get all of it thrown back at them. But I never saw- and still have never seen- someone get mistreated or treated unfairly because they advocate for low taxes, favoring the private sector over the government, less regulation, strong national defense, etc.
 
heel79 said:
Tell me one right leaning view that you think I have. Should be easy.
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I doubt ‘79 is as “conservative” as Pat McCrory or Jim Martin or James Broyhill.

Where he’s “conservative” is in wanting more restrictions on voting in elections - and, that’s mostly in local elections with Robeson County and Lumberton and other local municipalities within Robeson County.
 
CFordUNC said:
Asking this in all genuine sincerity. Can anyone give an example of how conservative posters were ever mistreated or treated unfairly? I ask because I was an outspoken Republican-voting conservative poster for several years on the ZZL/ZZLP until 2020- including that I was open about having voted for Trump in 2016- and I never, ever once felt like I was mistreated or treated unfairly. I got pushback upon for several of my stated beliefs and perspectives, and had many of my views challenged. But I learned and grew from it. Not only that, but I never thought that other conservative posters were mistreated or treated unfairly simply for being conservatives. I saw conservative posters who participated in shit talking, name calling, insults, and peddling bullshit , get all of it thrown back at them. But I never saw- and still have never seen- someone get mistreated or treated unfairly because they advocate for low taxes, favoring the private sector over the government, less regulation, strong national defense, etc.
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Do you think it was fair to ask a poster who is premium member not to post for two weeks but allow a thread during which that poster was called a monster and mentally ill to continue even after a promise it would be locked? That happened. The sabbatical was not because of what I had done as much as the toxic response to it? Liberals were given more leeway in their personal attacks on conservatives. Just were.
 
Zoo_View said:
I doubt ‘79 is as “conservative” as Pat McCrory or Jim Martin or James Broyhill.

Where he’s “conservative” is in wanting more restrictions on voting in elections - and, that’s mostly in local elections with Robeson County and Lumberton and other local municipalities within Robeson County.
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I do believe and advocated for voter ID.
 
heel79 said:
Do you think it was fair to ask a poster who is premium member not to post for two weeks but allow a thread during which that poster was called a monster and mentally ill to continue even after a promise it would be locked? That happened. The sabbatical was not because of what I had done as much as the toxic response to it? Liberals were given more leeway in their personal attacks on conservatives. Just were.
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I didn't know that happened to you. Definitely don't agree with calling you a monster or mentally ill. Definitely seems uncalled for.

I just don't think I can agree that liberals were given more leeway in personal attacks on conservatives. I understand that you might feel that way based on what you shared above- I'm not telling you that you are wrong, just that it's not how I interpret what has transpired on the board through the years. I am certain I have seen personal attacks, ad hominem attacks, etc. go both ways. And I've seen plenty of notable liberal-leaning posters warned and even temp-banned for posts that could be considered personal attacks.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Most people on there just wanted to talk about such and such course is in good shape or has anyone played at this course and I can understand why people certainly didn't like the LIV back and forth stuff.
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And that's when you saw your chance. Actually, I'd love to hear the other side of this tale...
 
CFordUNC said:
I didn't know that happened to you. Definitely don't agree with calling you a monster or mentally ill. Definitely seems uncalled for.

I just don't think I can agree that liberals were given more leeway in personal attacks on conservatives. I understand that you might feel that way based on what you shared above- I'm not telling you that you are wrong, just that it's not how I interpret what has transpired on the board through the years. I am certain I have seen personal attacks, ad hominem attacks, etc. go both ways. And I've seen plenty of notable liberal-leaning posters warned and even temp-banned for posts that could be considered personal attacks.
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So if all the moderators are liberal. And some like snoop are aggressive posters, you don't believe that bias will leak into their moderating?
 
gtyellowjacket said:
It was the LIV stuff. A lot of folks, almost all the folks, hated LIV when the split was announced and I thought it was just a good way for the pros to get paid what they were worth.

So there'd be a few folks that would make some comment about Liv and I would make a more positive comment about Liv and it started going back and forth. Most people on there just wanted to talk about such and such course is in good shape or has anyone played at this course and I can understand why people certainly didn't like the LIV back and forth stuff.

I think characterizing it as one person spamming the board is pretty inaccurate because I really only responded to others and I always did it politely unlike the people that were such LiV detractors. I would guess that I was well less than half of the LIV comments as it was really only me and a couple other people against probably five or six people that were fussing about it. But the majority of folks didn't like LIV and plenty of folks hate hearing about things they disagree with.
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Oh god, you are here too? I disagree with a lot of posters but you are the only one I loathe. Now that I can say it without being banned, go fuck yourself you fucking dick.


And to answer the question of "why", it wasn't the LIV stuff, there was quite a bit of back and forth on that topic on a golf thread obviously. It was the INCESSANT repeated posting of the same opinion for legitimately 50+ pages. GT has some mental issues.

Lets put each other on double super ignore (or whatever they call it here) and pretend we don't exist.
 
hedge said:
And that's when you saw your chance. Actually, I'd love to hear the other side of this tale...
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Well again, I was responding and somehow I was the guy that did the spamming for 6 months. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me but some people might characterize it that way since they agreed with them and disagreed with me.

There was even a separate "let's discuss the Liv versus PGA" thread that I think I may have started but if I didn't, I religiously participated in it but people said their peace and it stopped. Then a few people went back to the old thread and started talking about PGA versus Liv stuff and I went back to that thread to give my opinion.

I'll sincerely apologize to most of the folks on that thread that just wanted to talk about golf courses and what not. I see now that there were a couple of folks who either wanted a response from me so folks could get upset or didn't want a response because they didn't like anyone defending Liv. And I fell for it every single time so that's on me.
 
CHAMTRAIN said:
Oh god, you are here too? I disagree with a lot of posters but you are the only one I loathe. Now that I can say it without being banned, go fuck yourself you fucking dick.


And to answer the question of "why", it wasn't the LIV stuff, there was quite a bit of back and forth on that topic on a golf thread obviously. It was the INCESSANT repeated posting of the same opinion for legitimately 50+ pages. GT has some mental issues.

Lets put each other on double super ignore (or whatever they call it here) and pretend we don't exist.
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I'm sorry you feel that way. I wish you nothing but the best life.

And you wouldn't have gotten banned. There were a couple of very angry people throwing put some pretty nasty personal insults over and over on the golf thread and others on the ZZL and nothing ever happened. Snoop was moderating.
 
hedge said:
What was the opinion?
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It was mostly in support of LIV, focusing on the hypocrisy of the PGA. I actually supported the opinion ( I was one of the few on the golf thread that did), but his posting was not done in good faith. He was 100% trolling and did it at a level that (from a removed perspective) was honestly a bit impressive. Huge failure by the moderation on IC to let that happen.
 
heel79 said:
So if all the moderators are liberal. And some like snoop are aggressive posters, you don't believe that bias will leak into their moderating?
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I'm sure it's possible but there is nothing that I've ever seen that wold make me feel that Snoop was particularly biased in how he moderated the board. We've always known that bans were meted out after discussion amongst the whole moderator team, and usually after a poster was warned multiple times beforehand. So I guess unless your contention is that the whole moderator team had it out for the same specific posters in tandem, then I think that Snoop and all of the mods did as reasonably fine of a job as could be expected of them. Again, not one single conservative poster was ever banned for expressing conservative ideology. Conservative posters were predominately banned for drive-by posting, transphobic content in their posts, and failure to heed repeated warnings about various things.

Look, you know I like you a ton and think the world of you. But you weren't banned one time that you told another poster to suck your dick- and for the record, I completely agree with the fact that you weren't banned. I'd have been annoyed if you had been banned for that, in fact. But I also approach these message boards with a whole lot less seriousness, I guess, than others do, because I don't think that anyone should be banned for profanity, insults, name-calling, etc. I think that bans would be meted out only for extreme offenses like threatening, doxing, and unacceptable things like that. We are all adults here, in my opinion. If we can't handle other people on the internet calling us names from behind goofy made-up fake usernames, then I think we've got bigger issues.
 
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