Iran Catch-All | IRAN WAR - Hormuz Strait closed again

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Is there any question now that Iran controls the Strait? Trump celebrated when Iran posted they were opening it up so that indicates they have control. And Trump posted today that we have made them a good deal/offer to open the Strait so that indicates they have control.
 
BlueSmoke said:
Is there any question now that Iran controls the Strait? Trump celebrated when Iran posted they were opening it up so that indicates they have control. And Trump posted today that we have made them a good deal/offer to open the Strait so that indicates they have control.
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To the point that the president is willing to go to Force it open, yes, they do mostly control it, at least in the short-term.

The US absolutely has the means to force it open, but the president isn't willing to take that step.
 
ZenMode said:
To the point that the president is willing to go to Force it open, yes, they do mostly control it, at least in the short-term.

The US absolutely has the means to force it open, but the president isn't willing to take that step.
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How would the US force it open?
 
Calheel said:
That doesnā€™t force the strait to be open. That is simply a leverage technique. The only way to ā€œforceā€ the strait is to occupy southwestern Iran.
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From what I have heard, a huge percentage of the drones and other weapons they use to control the straight are on Kharg Island.

If that is the case, taking control of, and destroying the weapons on, Kharg Island would render Iran incapable of controlling these strait.
 
ZenMode said:
From what I have heard, a huge percentage of the drones and other weapons they use to control the straight are on Kharg Island.

If that is the case, taking control of, and destroying the weapons on, Kharg Island would render Iran incapable of controlling these strait.
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Kharg island isnā€™t even that close to the strait. Iran has missiles and drones in underground tunnels all along its southwestern mountains. They can easily hit any slow tanker passing through the strait from those locations. Unless you find and remove all those locations and limit the ability of speedboats along the shore, you canā€™t ā€œforceā€ the strait open.
 
ZenMode said:
From what I have heard, a huge percentage of the drones and other weapons they use to control the straight are on Kharg Island.

If that is the case, taking control of, and destroying the weapons on, Kharg Island would render Iran incapable of controlling these strait.
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Uh that's like over 400 miles away from the Strait I think. They don't need that Island as a launch platform for any weapon.
 
Calheel said:
Kharg island isnā€™t even that close to the strait. Iran has missiles and drones in underground tunnels all along its southwestern mountains. They can easily hit any slow tanker passing through the strait from those locations. Unless you find and remove all those locations and limit the ability of speedboats along the shore, you canā€™t ā€œforceā€ the strait open.
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I might have the wrong island name. It might have been Farur. Either way, I've read that 90% of the drones used against ships in the Strait of Hormuz come from one specific island.

Surely you don't believe that the US lacks the military capability to force the strait open.
 
ZenMode said:
I might have the wrong island name. It might have been Farur. Either way, I've read that 90% of the drones used against ships in the Strait of Hormuz come from one specific island.

Surely you don't believe that the US lacks the military capability to force the strait open.
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To normalize traffic, yes the U.S. lacks that ability without Iran's corporation. That's why Trump is trying to make them a good deal, so they will work with us. Normalized traffic and opening it up are two different things.
 
ZenMode said:
I might have the wrong island name. It might have been Farur. Either way, I've read that 90% of the drones used against ships in the Strait of Hormuz come from one specific island.

Surely you don't believe that the US lacks the military capability to force the strait open.
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Weā€™d have to occupy to force it open. And even then, Iran could occasionally hit a tanker that would make it commercially challenging to transit.

That is why we have to use economic threats to pressure Iran. The military options are limited and very costly - both in terms of lives and money.
 
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