Iran Catch-All | IRAN WAR - US to BLOCKADE Strait

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At this point everyone who loves this country should be pulling for trump to be as successful as possible. Giving Iran any control over the strait would be disastrous for the American economy for as long as they maintained control, long after trump is gone. You would think educated people would understand Iran having any control over oil prices would be horrible for America. Of course, when your tds is stronger than your love for America you are closer to being a radical Islamist than American.
We have reached a point where it is a foregone conclusion that Iran will exercise control.over the Strait. They always had the ability but they never dared until given no choice. Now that they have been emboldened, they arent backing down from it.

We as a nation will not commit the resources and lives necessary to forcibly invade Iran and eliminate any threat to the Strait. It is just not going to happen.

So no.matter what any of us wants, Iran will exercise control over the Strait as a fact of geography. The world will have to adjust to that courtesy of Donald Trump. If we could do a thing about it, we already would have.
 
We have reached a point where it is a foregone conclusion that Iran will exercise control.over the Strait. They always had the ability but they never dared until given no choice. Now that they have been emboldened, they arent backing down from it.
I doubt it. This is a short-term thing, I think. Why do you think China is sending weapons to Iran?
 
What about those of us who love our country, and are pulling for Trump to be as successful as possible despite not liking him personally because we recognize that the health and well-being of the United States is bigger than any one person, but also recognize that almost every single one of Trump's policy decisions this term has led to higher prices on almost everything we use day-to-day, strangled GDP growth, a weakening dollar, rising inflation that reduces the buying power of a weakening dollar, increased unemployment, worse relationships with our allies, and now a military conflict in which it increasingly appears there's no real way for us to win? Is that 'TDS' or are we allowed to disagree with bad policy that leads to bad outcomes?
 
At this point everyone who loves this country should be pulling for trump to be as successful as possible. Giving Iran any control over the strait would be disastrous for the American economy for as long as they maintained control, long after trump is gone. You would think educated people would understand Iran having any control over oil prices would be horrible for America. Of course, when your tds is stronger than your love for America you are closer to being a radical Islamist than American.
Jesus Christ. Who started this stupid, utterly unnecessary, disastrous war? Trump. Who did not do any planning for the consequences of starting a war with Iran, like their ability to close the Strait of Hormuz? Trump. Who has destabilized the region to a much greater extent than it was before the war? Trump. A truly "educated person" would never have elected this fucking idiot to office even once, much less twice. You're literally telling all of us to rally around and support the very person who has caused this disaster and shitshow and act as if he's not the source of it. And if you really love America, you wouldn't love or support Donald J. Trump. Those two things are incompatible at this point - Trump right now is one the best friends that the enemies of America have. And people like you are willfully blind to it.

ETA: And of course I hope for the best possible outcome here. But I don't believe that this administration has the best interests of most Americans at heart, nor do they care about the lives our military personnel that they keep putting into harm's way, nor do they care about anything but themselves and using the federal government to enrich themselves as much as possible and to punish their perceived enemies.
 
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Im just 12 months thanks to arrogance and poor planning, the Trump Admin has managed to:
1) get China to use the rare earth metals card against the US for first time. After saying China will do what we tell them to do

2) get Iran to close SOH filly for first time

I suspect tje deal will be reopemimng of SOH in return for lifting of sanctions. Trump was dumb to kill the nyclean monitor agmt set up by Obama Admin.

In last two years all the sjirmishes have been started by Israel and US

US did thje B1B bombing last year
Israel bombed an Iranian consulate in Syria
Israeldid extrajudicia jilling of Iranian scientiusts and bombed facilities
Israel started the 12 day war last year
Israel

Israel did an extrajudicial jilling of the most modereate JHamas leader in Tehran (Haniyeh)
started the current war

And for good measure Israel bombed a bldg in Qatar during peace negootiations between Israel and Hamas

At leasrt in recent times, Israel is t the rogue nation under Bibi, doing whatever it wants and hiding behind US;
 
What about those of us who love our country, and are pulling for Trump to be as successful as possible despite not liking him personally because we recognize that the health and well-being of the United States is bigger than any one person, but also recognize that almost every single one of Trump's policy decisions this term has led to higher prices on almost everything we use day-to-day, strangled GDP growth, a weakening dollar, rising inflation that reduces the buying power of a weakening dollar, increased unemployment, worse relationships with our allies, and now a military conflict in which it increasingly appears there's no real way for us to win? Is that 'TDS' or are we allowed to disagree with bad policy that leads to bad outcomes?
TDS.
 
Chuck Schumer on the JCPOA:

“ In the first ten years of the deal, there are serious weaknesses in the agreement. First, inspections are not “anywhere, anytime”; the 24-day delay before we can inspect is troubling. While inspectors would likely be able to detect radioactive isotopes at a site after 24 days, that delay would enable Iran to escape detection of any illicit building and improving of possible military dimensions (PMD) – the tools that go into building a bomb but don’t emit radioactivity.
Furthermore, even when we detect radioactivity at a site where Iran is illicitly advancing its bomb-making capability, the 24-day delay would hinder our ability to determine precisely what was being done at that site.
Even more troubling is the fact that the U.S. cannot demand inspections unilaterally. By requiring the majority of the 8-member Joint Commission, and assuming that China, Russia, and Iran will not cooperate, inspections would require the votes of all three European members of the P5+1 as well as the EU representative. It is reasonable to fear that, once the Europeans become entangled in lucrative economic relations with Iran, they may well be inclined not to rock the boat by voting to allow inspections.
Additionally, the “snapback” provisions in the agreement seem cumbersome and difficult to use. While the U.S. could unilaterally cause snapback of all sanctions, there will be instances where it would be more appropriate to snapback some but not all of the sanctions, because the violation is significant but not severe. A partial snapback of multilateral sanctions could be difficult to obtain, because the U.S. would require the cooperation of other nations. If the U.S. insists on snapback of all the provisions, which it can do unilaterally, and the Europeans, Russians, or Chinese feel that is too severe a punishment, they may not comply.
Those who argue for the agreement say it is better to have an imperfect deal than to have nothing; that without the agreement, there would be no inspections, no snapback. When you consider only this portion of the deal – nuclear restrictions for the first ten years – that line of thinking is plausible, but even for this part of the agreement, the weaknesses mentioned above make this argument less compelling.
Second, we must evaluate how this deal would restrict Iran’s nuclear development after ten years.
Supporters argue that after ten years, a future President would be in no weaker a position than we are today to prevent Iran from racing to the bomb. That argument discounts the current sanctions regime. After fifteen years of relief from sanctions, Iran would be stronger financially and better able to advance a robust nuclear program. Even more importantly, the agreement would allow Iran, after ten to fifteen years, to be a nuclear threshold state with the blessing of the world community. Iran would have a green light to be as close, if not closer to possessing a nuclear weapon than it is today. And the ability to thwart Iran if it is intent on becoming a nuclear power would have less moral and economic force.
If Iran’s true intent is to get a nuclear weapon, under this agreement, it must simply exercise patience. After ten years, it can be very close to achieving that goal, and, unlike its current unsanctioned pursuit of a nuclear weapon, Iran’s nuclear program will be codified in an agreement signed by the United States and other nations. To me, after ten years, if Iran is the same nation as it is today, we will be worse off with this agreement than without it.
In addition, we must consider the non-nuclear elements of the agreement. This aspect of the deal gives me the most pause. For years, Iran has used military force and terrorism to expand its influence in the Middle East, actively supporting military or terrorist actions in Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Iraq, and Gaza. That is why the U.S. has labeled Iran as one of only three nations in the world who are “state sponsors of terrorism.” Under this agreement, Iran would receive at least $50 billion dollars in the near future and would undoubtedly use some of that money to redouble its efforts to create even more trouble in the Middle East, and, perhaps, beyond.
To reduce the pain of sanctions, the Supreme Leader had to lean left and bend to the moderates in his country. It seems logical that to counterbalance, he will lean right and give the Iranian Revolutionary Guard (IRGC) and the hardliners resources so that they can pursue their number one goal: strengthening Iran’s armed forces and pursuing even more harmful military and terrorist actions.
Finally, the hardliners can use the freed-up funds to build an ICBM on their own as soon as sanctions are lifted (and then augment their ICBM capabilities in 8 years after the ban on importing ballistic weaponry is lifted), threatening the United States. Restrictions should have been put in place limiting how Iran could use its new resources.
When it comes to the non-nuclear aspects of the deal, I think there is a strong case that we are better off without an agreement than with one.
Using the proponents’ overall standard – which is not whether the agreement is ideal, but whether we are better with or without it – it seems to me, when it comes to the nuclear aspects of the agreement within ten years, we might be slightly better off with it. However, when it comes to the nuclear aspects after ten years and the non-nuclear aspects, we would be better off without it.
Ultimately, in my view, whether one supports or opposes the resolution of disapproval depends on how one thinks Iran will behave under this agreement.
If one thinks Iran will moderate, that contact with the West and a decrease in economic and political isolation will soften Iran’s hardline positions, one should approve the agreement. After all, a moderate Iran is less likely to exploit holes in the inspection and sanctions regime, is less likely to seek to become a threshold nuclear power after ten years, and is more likely to use its newfound resources for domestic growth, not international adventurism.
But if one feels that Iranian leaders will not moderate and their unstated but very real goal is to get relief from the onerous sanctions, while still retaining their nuclear ambitions and their ability to increase belligerent activities in the Middle East and elsewhere, then one should conclude that it would be better not to approve this agreement.
Admittedly, no one can tell with certainty which way Iran will go. It is true that Iran has a large number of people who want their government to decrease its isolation from the world and focus on economic advancement at home. But it is also true that this desire has been evident in Iran for thirty-five years, yet the Iranian leaders have held a tight and undiminished grip on Iran, successfully maintaining their brutal, theocratic dictatorship with little threat. Who’s to say this dictatorship will not prevail for another ten, twenty, or thirty years?
To me, the very real risk that Iran will not moderate and will, instead, use the agreement to pursue its nefarious goals is too great.
Therefore, I will vote to disapprove the agreement, not because I believe war is a viable or desirable option, nor to challenge the path of diplomacy. It is because I believe Iran will not change, and under this agreement it will be able to achieve its dual goals of eliminating sanctions while ultimately retaining its nuclear and non-nuclear power. Better to keep U.S. sanctions in place, strengthen them, enforce secondary sanctions on other nations, and pursue the hard-trodden path of diplomacy once more, difficult as it may be.
For all of these reasons, I believe the vote to disapprove is the right one.”
 
“ Trump was dumb to kill the nyclean monitor agmt set up by Obama Admin.”

Are you referring to the agreement the most powerful dem in congress didn’t support or vote for in part because inspections were flawed and wouldn’t be effective?
 
We have reached a point where it is a foregone conclusion that Iran will exercise control.over the Strait. They always had the ability but they never dared until given no choice. Now that they have been emboldened, they arent backing down from it.

We as a nation will not commit the resources and lives necessary to forcibly invade Iran and eliminate any threat to the Strait. It is just not going to happen.

So no.matter what any of us wants, Iran will exercise control over the Strait as a fact of geography. The world will have to adjust to that courtesy of Donald Trump. If we could do a thing about it, we already would have.

Have we reached that point?

Mass invasion isnt the only option.

You may see a worldwide effort to help reopen it and control it. Other countries are impacted worse than we are.
 
Other countries will just pay the ransom because that is far cheaper than military action.

England disagrees.

“ British Prime Minister Keir Starmer and Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper have condemned Iran’s attempts to impose sovereign tolls on the Strait of Hormuz, stating that "open means open" and navigation must remain free. As of April 2026, the UK government is leading a coalition of over 40 nations to reject these fees and ensure the waterway remains an international channel.”
 
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