Iran Catch-All | IRAN WAR - US to BLOCKADE Strait

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So... In order to free the strait, we have to blockade it?
Better than a ground invasion and worth a try imo. I guess the other option is give Iran everything they want and go home.
Trump is an idiot and I can’t stand him or MAGA but just giving up right now and taking a big fat L for American doesn’t sit well with me.
I’m sure it will piss everyone off but at the end of the day this is on Iran. Open the strait and get rid of your dumbass toll.
Now everyone tell me why I’m an idiot and this is wrong I guess.
 
Better than a ground invasion and worth a try imo. I guess the other option is give Iran everything they want and go home.
Trump is an idiot and I can’t stand him or MAGA but just giving up right now and taking a big fat L for American doesn’t sit well with me.
I’m sure it will piss everyone off but at the end of the day this is on Iran. Open the strait and get rid of your dumbass toll.
Now everyone tell me why I’m an idiot and this is wrong I guess.
I think that, eventually, the Strait needs to be open to all international traffic.

But if you’re Iran, who has just been attacked for no real reason, control of the Strait is the only real leverage you have and you’d be crazy not to use it.

None of this is on Iran other than they are playing the hand they were dealt. The responsibility for this lies 100% at the feet of Trump for starting a war with no real plan nor goals.
 
I think that, eventually, the Strait needs to be open to all international traffic.

But if you’re Iran, who has just been attacked for no real reason, control of the Strait is the only real leverage you have and you’d be crazy not to use it.

None of this is on Iran other than they are playing the hand they were dealt. The responsibility for this lies 100% at the feet of Trump for starting a war with no real plan nor goals.
I get this is Trump’s fault. But your position is we should just say well damn we screwed that up. Time to go home and lick our wounds. Sorry world sorry Iran.


Edit to add it probably is stupid because Trump hadn’t thought past the blockade. What are the possible results of the blockade and do any of them improve our position? What price are we willing to pay?
What’s the worst case scenario? WW3? What’s the exit before they happens?
But Trump I’m sure hasn’t though about any of that.
 
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Better than a ground invasion and worth a try imo. I guess the other option is give Iran everything they want and go home.
Trump is an idiot and I can’t stand him or MAGA but just giving up right now and taking a big fat L for American doesn’t sit well with me.
I’m sure it will piss everyone off but at the end of the day this is on Iran. Open the strait and get rid of your dumbass toll.
Now everyone tell me why I’m an idiot and this is wrong I guess.
Yeah, I am not gonna call you an idiot, but thisnis on Iran in precisely the same way it is on a woman who's being raped for kicking the dude in the balls.

What other choice?
 
I get this is Trump’s fault. But your position is we should just say well damn we screwed that up. Time to go home and lick our wounds. Sorry world sorry Iran.
I believe we should go home and let the other world leaders who are not immature chikdren sort out the chaos we created.

We are the problem and our continued involvement is gasoline on the fire. There is no saving face in this shit show.
 
Trump going bananas on Fox this morning, putting the clips in the Trump posts about Iran thread.
 
I get this is Trump’s fault. But your position is we should just say well damn we screwed that up. Time to go home and lick our wounds. Sorry world sorry Iran.
I said absolutely nothing about what the US should do. I didn’t mention the US at all & the closest I came was mentioning Trump. You made up “my position” completely out of whole cloth.

However, my actual position is that since the US broke this situation, the responsibility lies with us to fix it. Not in a “run away and hide” manner that you suggest, but by engaging Iran in a proactive way that leads to a real agreement. Of course, given our current leadership, there’s very little chance we don’t completely screw this up.

The old adage of “when you find yourself in a hole, quit digging” applies here. There is very little chance we can actually win the actual war with military might and further military action - absent a coherent strategy and plan - will likely only make things worse.
 
I believe we should go home and let the other world leaders who are not immature chikdren sort out the chaos we created.

We are the problem and our continued involvement is gasoline on the fire. There is no saving face in this shit show.
Probably the best thing to do. I’m just not happy with where we are and I don’t like the taste of that humble pie. And I’ve stated before I don’t want troops on the ground, dead kids, American ships on fire in the strait. No good answers.
 
I actually think the US blockading Hormuz is a decent idea. It shouldn't take long until China starts pressuring Iran to negotiate a deal.
 
I said absolutely nothing about what the US should do. I didn’t mention the US at all & the closest I came was mentioning Trump. You made up “my position” completely out of whole cloth.

However, my actual position is that since the US broke this situation, the responsibility lies with us to fix it. Not in a “run away and hide” manner that you suggest, but by engaging Iran in a proactive way that leads to a real agreement. Of course, given our current leadership, there’s very little chance we don’t completely screw this up.

The old adage of “when you find yourself in a hole, quit digging” applies here. There is very little chance we can actually win the actual war with military might and further military action - absent a coherent strategy and plan - will likely only make things worse.
Sorry I wasn’t trying to assign positions, but I don’t see where the wiggle room is. Pretty basic positions on both sides. What more could have been gained diplomatically. I don’t think Iran is going to cave on any of their positions. Are they going to give up the pursuit of nuclear weapons? Give up tolling the strait?

The answer is agree to their terms and go home.

It’s a big loss. That’s on Trump but still sucks for the US.
 
I actually think the US blockading Hormuz is a decent idea. It shouldn't take long until China starts pressuring Iran to negotiate a deal.
Unless the oil is transported to the Pakistani Gwandar Port for shipment to China. Too many logistical issues and capacity limitations for Gwandar to replace Hormuz but we may have to decide whether a blockade of Hormuz is a blockade of other Iranian transport options, including Gwandar access and rail across their eastern border.
 
Probably the best thing to do. I’m just not happy with where we are and I don’t like the taste of that humble pie. And I’ve stated before I don’t want troops on the ground, dead kids, American ships on fire in the strait. No good answers.
You are absolutely correct that there are no good answers and it absolutely is humiliating but I don't see any way to avoid that.

We managed to destroy the armed forces of Iran while they managed to neuter the economies of the world.
 
The endgame IMO is:

End the war

Give Iran some sanctions relief

China gets Iran to reopen the Strait

That is sort of a mid-range solution
To get a longer one
Need to resume intnl monitoring of Iran
reparations
Guarantees from Israel and Iran not to attack each other

Israel to accept Arab League peace plan which Iran signed in the pastst hich gets Trump the Nobel Peace Prize tp display at Mar-a-Lago
 
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