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“But meaningful regime change will require a "ground component," Netanyahu said”

Then go get ‘em, Bibi. We have been told that regime is not a US goal for this war. If it’s your goal then you go achieve regime change and leave us out of it.
 
“But meaningful regime change will require a "ground component," Netanyahu said”

Then go get ‘em, Bibi. We have been told that regime is not a US goal for this war. If it’s your goal then you go achieve regime change and leave us out of it.
It would obviously be an affront to the good people of Iran to have Jews among any stabilizing or peace keeping force.
 
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“… He said that the Iranian people must ultimately “rise to the moment.”

“We can create the conditions, but they have to, you know, they have to exploit those conditions at a certain point,” he said.

A revolution cannot come “only from the air,” he went on. “You can do a lot of things from the air, and we’re doing [them,] but ... there has to be a ground component as well.”…”
Let the Israelis do it.
 
Israel (not the Jewish faith, not Jewish people, not Israeli people as a whole- but Israel the political entity) is every bit the vile and reprehensible terrorist state that is the radical extremist Islamic regime in charge of Iran, and perhaps even more so in some respects. Such a repulsive government is the Israeli one. I grew up steeped in the combo Southern Baptist and evangelical conservative brainwashing, so this is quite a departure from what I used to believe.
 
That's the problem. I'm not sure he can. Even if Trump stops everything today, why would Iran open the Strait to the US and its Arab neighbors?
Closing the strait is there leverage. If you refuse to open it up you lose that leverage.

Also if the war ended and they kept the strait closed, that would increase support for an action against Iran.
 
Israel (not the Jewish faith, not Jewish people, not Israeli people as a whole- but Israel the political entity) is every bit the vile and reprehensible terrorist state that is the radical extremist Islamic regime in charge of Iran, and perhaps even more so in some respects. Such a repulsive government is the Israeli one. I grew up steeped in the combo Southern Baptist and evangelical conservative brainwashing, so this is quite a departure from what I used to believe.
And right now we are their state sponsor.
 
This is shockingly anti-Semitic. It's also a ridiculous assertion.
This seems a bit of a stretch, given the various depictions of Putin as Trump’s puppet master, and given the credible evidence that Bibi likely did cajole Trump into attacking Iran by overestimating/overplaying the “imminent threat” that Iran posed.

Now, if Bibi’s nose were enlarged and hooked in the image, I’d see the antisemitism angle.
 
This is shockingly anti-Semitic. It's also a ridiculous assertion.
I don't know the artist but I wonder if the apparent anti-Semitism isn't part of the point. Myth and reality have merged into this unholy concoction of BibiTrump.
Israel has been acting like a mean-spirited distortion of itself. Bibi has been acting like a manipulator. Trump really has been having his strings pulled. One of the most depressing things about this whole saga -- and I'm going to go back to 2022 here -- is the way that various actors seem pulled into becoming their own caricatures.
 
This is shockingly anti-Semitic. It's also a ridiculous assertion.
That’s not anti-Semitic. It appears that Bibi has manipulated Trump into attacking Iran. It’s making reference to that. Bibi’s religion is entirely irrelevant there. I’ll just add for context that while I am atheist, my wife is Jewish and we send our kids to Hebrew school so they understand appreciate their Jewish identity.
 
That’s not anti-Semitic.
Of course it is - whether or not it is intended as such is not relevant to my post. The idea that Jews - or in this case a certain very public Jew - are controlling world affairs in secret is a very old anti-semitic trope. This concept of the Jewish puppet master is at the heart of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It's not that complicated and just because you do not see the reference does not mean it isn't so.

And besides - putting pressure on Trump isn't the same as controlling him via invisible strings.
 
And I just want to point out - it IS possible to criticize Netanyahu and the Israeli government without resorting to these ridiculous "Jews control the world" tropes...or in this case, "this Jew controls Trump"
 
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