Is this why Dem’s Approval Rating Polls are so bad?

I don’t disagree with the description. I disagree with the implication that this is permanent. If rural white working-class voters were truly unreachable, the Populists, the CIO, and the civil rights-labor coalitions of the past would never have existed. The problem isn’t the people, it’s the loss of organizing, storytelling, and political structures that used to make solidarity tangible. That’s what we need to rebuild. Writing people off is easier. Fighting for them is harder, but it’s what movement politics demands.
The rural white southern working class was never organized, and there was sure as hell no civil rights-labor coalitions in the communities Snoop and Mulberry are describing. In the Piedmont mill town where I grew up, there was no dirtier word than “union.”
 
You’re mistaking hostility to unions or outsiders as proof of ingrained cultural reaction, when it’s actually proof of how thoroughly the emotional terrain of politics has been shaped by decades of propaganda, repression, and disinvestment. These attitudes weren’t inevitable; they were produced. And that means they can be changed.

We don’t have to romanticize the past. But we do need to remember that working-class people, even in hostile terrain, have shown again and again that they can organize, change, and fight for each other. The idea that it’s never happened is just wrong. And it quietly justifies not trying.
I’m not arguing why or how it happened, I’m saying the hostility to organized labor anywhere south of West Virginia coal mines was real, particularly in the textile and furniture industries. The exception was Alabama, the most unionized state in the south, thanks to the steel industry in Birmingham and the shipbuilding and port workers in Mobile.
 
Oh, bullshit. I see plenty of Democrats who fly the American flag, Trumpers hardly have a monopoly on the American flag. And I know plenty of military vets who are Democrats and proudly wear their uniforms and such when it's appropriate. And plenty of Trumpers complain about the country all the time, especially when Democrats are in office. Trump himself has said the country was going to hell under Biden (or would have under Hillary or Kamala) and that if he didn't win then the country was finished. Republicans trash America all the time whenever a Democrat is in office. And using your analogy what do all those Trumpers who fly the Confederate flag indicate? Neither Republicans nor Democrats have a monopoly on these sorts of things, unless you're a Republican (not the middle, but a Republican) who is looking for something to justify your dislike of Democrats.
My point remains.

If you show a swing voter a picture of a person waving an American flag and ask what party they are - 80% would say Republican.

If you show the same voter a picture of someone saying I support the military - 80% would say Republican.

If you hear someone say that fundamentally this country is evil and wicked - 80% would think Democrat.

You can give examples singularly but there’s no doubt I’m right and that’s the problem with the party.
 
Any political party has to win the middle.

When you see someone with an American flag, you know they aren’t Democrats.

When you see someone with a tshirt that supports the military, not Democrats.

When you see someone saying the country is evil and a huge problem for the world, Democrats.

Rightly or wrongly, these things do not capture the middle. The Democrats come off as a party that doesn’t like where they live.
Shut the fuck up, lynch. You are a fucking dipshit. I vote Democratic these days and not only do I fly an American flag on the front of my house, I have a triangular-folded American flag proudly in a case in my home office, I have my late grandfathers' and my KIA cousin's Army dogtags all displayed next to it, and I have a U.S. Naval Academy flag on the wall in my home office from my time there. I love the United States of America and the United States armed forces as much as any red-blooded sister-fucking patriotic-cosplaying conservative. There are plenty more Democrats, centrists, and independents like me out there who feel the exact same. Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit.
 
Just a reminder for everyone that HintonJamesHeel joined IC in late November 2023, which was incidentally the same exact time that lynch34 pussied out of the ZZLP. If you ever get to wondering why HintonJamesHeel's posts sound so fucking stupid and eerily similar to how stupid lynch34's sounded, now you know why!
 
NY Times reporter
In the briefing, Hegseth referred to B-2 pilots as "our boys on those bombers," yet both men and women have trained to fly them.

That’s why Democrats lose. Everything is looked at in the oddest way.
 
Shut the fuck up, lynch. You are a fucking dipshit. I vote Democratic these days and not only do I fly an American flag on the front of my house, I have a triangular-folded American flag proudly in a case in my home office, I have my late grandfathers' and my KIA cousin's Army dogtags all displayed next to it, and I have a U.S. Naval Academy flag on the wall in my home office from my time there. I love the United States of America and the United States armed forces as much as any red-blooded sister-fucking patriotic-cosplaying conservative. There are plenty more Democrats, centrists, and independents like me out there who feel the exact same. Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit.
lol - who are you? I have no clue.
 
lol - who are you? I have no clue.
Thanks for proving my point, lynch. That's exactly the kind of stupid bullshit you used to say under your old username, too. And I'll tell you who I am. I'm someone who thinks that anyone who changes usernames on a message board community is a pussy of the highest magnitude and worthy of derision.
 
Why is name placement important ? because voters tend to vote for the top name on the ballot in off year elections.The incumbent may have been a meek back bench rep. but he did understand election politics ;)
Every state I've voted in, that I can remember, randomized placement on ballots and indeed different ballots had different placements.
 
Thanks for proving my point, lynch. That's exactly the kind of stupid bullshit you used to say under your old username, too. And I'll tell you who I am. I'm someone who thinks that anyone who changes usernames on a message board community is a pussy of the highest magnitude and worthy of derision.
Ha, he completely gave himself away with that one. lynch pulled the exact same rebuttal on me multiple times in the covid thread.
 
Ha, he completely gave himself away with that one. lynch pulled the exact same rebuttal on me multiple times in the covid thread.
Yeah. Changing your name on a message board is peak cowardice. And especially in such a relatively small community such as this one where the regulars interact almost daily for years. It's easy as hell to pick up on people's posting styles, the phrasing they use, the things they say, etc. Such a cuck move, but then again, cuck fits lynch34 to perfection.
 
Yeah. Changing your name on a message board is peak cowardice. And especially in such a relatively small community such as this one where the regulars interact almost daily for years. It's easy as hell to pick up on people's posting styles, the phrasing they use, the things they say, etc. Such a cuck move, but then again, that fits lynch34 to perfection.
Well, I use to be HeelingAg, so there’s that …:confused:
 
Yeah. Changing your name on a message board is peak cowardice. And especially in such a relatively small community such as this one where the regulars interact almost daily for years. It's easy as hell to pick up on people's posting styles, the phrasing they use, the things they say, etc. Such a cuck move, but then again, cuck fits lynch34 to perfection.
Hey now. I changed my name when I signed up for this board. Not trying to hide who I was/am on IC (premiumblublooded); just never really cared for my IC handle.
 
Hey now. I changed my name when I signed up for this board. Not trying to hide who I was/am on IC (premiumblublooded); just never really cared for my IC handle.
Ha, fair enough, fair enough! I rescind my statement. In *some* cases, changing one's username on a message board is for perfectly legitimate reasons.

In lynch's case, he did so because everyone rightfully got tired of his bullshit and he became a pariah because of his pigheadedness. That's cowardly, IMO.
 
Have you ever voted in the 4th district of North Carolina ?
I don't remember what district I was in when I voted in NC (it was only one election). I wasn't questioning you. I mean, surely you know the rules of your own contest better than I do. I was merely saying that I find it odd because it's not how I've seen it done in the past.
 
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