Is this why Dem’s Approval Rating Polls are so bad?

[Centerpiece]

While I certainly think it’s useful to analyze things like turn out amongst various demographics, I really think that the reason that the Democrats lost is as simple as 1 – 2–3 (in this order):

1. Inflation and high prices.
2. Worldwide trend of unseating incumbent administrations in 2022-2024 in the aftermath of the pandemic.
3. Kamala Harris was unpopular amongst pretty much every demographic except for staunch liberals.

There’s nothing they could have conceivably done to alleviate number one and number two, and once Joe Biden stepped down, there was nothing they could have realistically done besides run Harris. It was the right call, it just did not work out. It happens.

In 2026 and 2028, they need to drop all of the social stuff and focus almost entirely on 1. the rampant unaffordability of literally everything, but especially housing, and 2. cleaning up the corruption in Washington. They need somebody like Andy Beshear, who has been a very popular and exceptionally successful blue governor in a deep red state, at or near the top of the ticket.

Agree 100%

 

[superrific]

I agree with some of what’s laid out too… except the last point, the one I called out. Perhaps my criticism could be chalked up to semantics. Maybe I’m reading it wrong, and the Dems are indeed brilliant strategists.

And it’s not looking back on Biden, but more of looking back on the Harris campaign, the shortness of which notwithstanding, which may have been flawed. Take a quick look back and learn from mistakes - not to focus too much time on it and cause dissenttion in the ranks - but a quick discerning look back, then move forward just as quickly.

I read that as "our turn out the vote operation failed this year, despite the millions of door knockers, because maybe doorknocking either never was or is no longer a reliable technique." Trump used a word-of-mouth strategy that worked much better, which is how he turned out the recalcitrant voters. Maybe.

And since this type of turn out the vote operation has been part of the standard playbook at least since Obama (and probably further back, depending on how strictly you want to define some of this stuff), it wouldn't make sense to try to pin it on the Harris campaign.

 

[farce©]

Democrats need to figure out how to NOT allow themselves to be defined by Republican culture war bullshit.

 

[Healing]

Democrats need to figure out how to NOT allow themselves to be defined by Republican culture war bullshit.

The closest they’ve been recently was the brief dalliance with “weird”. Pubs were on their heels for a couple of weeks, constantly defending themselves against the uncomfortable truths and the ickiness they felt inside. Then the Dems allowed platitudinous to reassert hegemony.

 

[HandsonFire]

While I certainly think it’s useful to analyze things like turn out amongst various demographics, I really think that the reason that the Democrats lost is as simple as 1 – 2–3 (in this order):

1. Inflation and high prices.
2. Worldwide trend of unseating incumbent administrations in 2022-2024 in the aftermath of the pandemic.
3. Kamala Harris was unpopular amongst pretty much every demographic except for staunch liberals.

There’s nothing they could have conceivably done to alleviate number one and number two, and once Joe Biden stepped down, there was nothing they could have realistically done besides run Harris. It was the right call, it just did not work out. It happens.

In 2026 and 2028, they need to drop all of the social stuff and focus almost entirely on 1. the rampant unaffordability of literally everything, but especially housing, and 2. cleaning up the corruption in Washington. They need somebody like Andy Beshear, who has been a very popular and exceptionally successful blue governor in a deep red state, at or near the top of the ticket.

The social stuff I feel like is a big deal. It shouldn’t be but people don’t want to hear about it and they do t want to vote about it.

 

[BlueSmoke]

Of the six sure bets to run for President, Newsom, Shapiro, Bashear, Witmore, Pritzker, and Buttigieg, is it known yet what they plan to run on? Anything that's not the "same old same old" stuff?

 

[Kingpin]

While I certainly think it’s useful to analyze things like turn out amongst various demographics, I really think that the reason that the Democrats lost is as simple as 1 – 2–3 (in this order):

1. Inflation and high prices.
2. Worldwide trend of unseating incumbent administrations in 2022-2024 in the aftermath of the pandemic.
3. Kamala Harris was unpopular amongst pretty much every demographic except for staunch liberals.

There’s nothing they could have conceivably done to alleviate number one and number two, and once Joe Biden stepped down, there was nothing they could have realistically done besides run Harris. It was the right call, it just did not work out. It happens.

In 2026 and 2028, they need to drop all of the social stuff and focus almost entirely on 1. the rampant unaffordability of literally everything, but especially housing, and 2. cleaning up the corruption in Washington. They need somebody like Andy Beshear, who has been a very popular and exceptionally successful blue governor in a deep red state, at or near the top of the ticket.

This and all of this.

 

[4thgenheel]

Of the six sure bets to run for President, Newsom, Shapiro, Bashear, Witmore, Pritzker, and Buttigieg, is it known yet what they plan to run on? Anything that's not the "same old same old" stuff?

whitmer. i really like big gretch and think she'd do a good job, she's been wonderful for michigan, but i've got PTSD from hillary and kamala at this point. this country is misogynistic as fuck. it is beyond depressing that the vast, vast majority of free world countries (and quite a few not so free world countries) have had powerful, capable women in their highest office while we keep electing doddering old men who can barely string a sentence together.

but anyway....the dems need to run a white man. and probably not one from big, bad, bogeyman librul hellscape california. beshear or shapiro, please.

 

[Healing]

Right now, Beshear is the clear early leader, in my personal rankings. Generic looking, youngish, white dude with a proper southern twang, speaking to the values of Medicaid, public education, economic redistribution, clean water, childcare, and with the experience of battling it out in a rrrrred state? Sign me up - at least right now.

 

[Centerpiece]

I read that as "our turn out the vote operation failed this year, despite the millions of door knockers, because maybe doorknocking either never was or is no longer a reliable technique." Trump used a word-of-mouth strategy that worked much better, which is how he turned out the recalcitrant voters. Maybe.

And since this type of turn out the vote operation has been part of the standard playbook at least since Obama (and probably further back, depending on how strictly you want to define some of this stuff), it wouldn't make sense to try to pin it on the Harris campaign.

The strategy is clearly laid out not to pin anything on any one “body” but to move forward. To which I agree. But to move forward without first taking a quick look back to study failed steps in order not to repeat them is the only intelligent thing to do in my estimation. That’s all I’m saying. I think you’re just trying to poke holes in my summation to be a prick.

 

[UNCatTech]

I didn't say everything was hunky dory. I said a majority of Americans (R, D and I), with the exception of things related to kids and sports, support trans rights.

Is there any thread that you can't manage to take down this path?

We all know your position, though you see to try and make it a little more nuanced on different threads. But you have made your position very clear.

And, I really doubt that it is a majority thanks to your orange over lord trump. Who has made it fashionable to hate people openly.