Israel Hamas War | IDF Kills peaceful American Protester in West Bank

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Hundreds of Israeli troops mounted major overnight raids in the occupied West Bank, Israeli officials said Wednesday, targeting Palestinian militants after what they called months of rising attacks. At least nine people were killed, and an Israeli military official said the operation was continuing.

The operation followed months of escalating Israeli raids in the occupied territory, where nearly three million Palestinians live under Israeli military rule. Israel has arrested thousands of Palestinians suspected of involvement in armed groups since the Hamas-led Oct. 7 attacks, an increasingly deadly campaign that has unfolded alongside its war against Hamas in Gaza.
 
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Hundreds of Israeli troops mounted major overnight raids in the occupied West Bank, Israeli officials said Wednesday, targeting Palestinian militants after what they called months of rising attacks. At least nine people were killed, and an Israeli military official said the operation was continuing.

The operation followed months of escalating Israeli raids in the occupied territory, where nearly three million Palestinians live under Israeli military rule. Israel has arrested thousands of Palestinians suspected of involvement in armed groups since the Hamas-led Oct. 7 attacks, an increasingly deadly campaign that has unfolded alongside its war against Hamas in Gaza.
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Sadly, no one will care about this. However, once it gets bad enough and the Palestinians in the West Bank start fighting back, then Israel will label them terrorist and start it's bombing campaign there
 
RaiGuy said:
Sadly, no one will care about this. However, once it gets bad enough and the Palestinians in the West Bank start fighting back, then Israel will label them terrorist and start it's bombing campaign there
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They are fighting back. This was specifically targeted to eliminate Jenin Brigade middle commanders. It will get worse before it gets better in Judea and Samaria for all involved.
 
RaiGuy said:
Sadly, no one will care about this. However, once it gets bad enough and the Palestinians in the West Bank start fighting back, then Israel will label them terrorist and start it's bombing campaign there
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Then Lebanon will respond, and Israel will ratchet up attacks there.

Sigh
 


Israeli government and Hamas seem content to run the clock while continuing the carnage.
 
Once the war is over (and Hamas and Netanyahu are out of the way) , we can't make the usual mistake and then refuse to address all the underlying causes of the conflict. Otherwise we will be back here in 5 years. There needs toi be an independent, demilitarized (with a robust intnl peacekeeoing force in place) Palestinian state (run by the Palestinian Authoprity) in the West Bank and Gaza.

The Israeli occupation of the West Bank etc has lasted longer than the Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe. Time for the Palestinians to have their independent state. The US needs to quit enabling this occupation and use its muscle to work with other countries and get a long-term solution done. "Forgetting about the problem" has not worked in the past.
 
There is zero will on either side for a two state solution. Until that changes - this situation drags on. Israel will not allow another 10/07 - which means there will likely not be another Israeli disengagement from Gaza any time soon. There is no trust on either side and both sides think they can get "everything they want" if they wait it out. The idea of "now things will be different" is ridiculous. We are further from a Palestinian state now than we have ever been mostly due to the actions from both the Israeli government and the Palestinian leadership.
 
Occupying powers always work to maintain the status quo, for obvious reasons.We can't let the Netanyahu govt spin this any longer. They want to maintain the status quo no matter what, since they know they can hide behind the US.
The fundamental, underlying problem in thje conflict is the 57-year Israeli occuption, and everything else flows in large part from that reality. The occupation must be ended. It is a fundamental injustice by any standard.

Over the years, polls have shown that a majority of Isrealis and Palestinians favor a 2-state solution. On the Israelu side, that comes only so long as full Arab diploamtic recog follows, and the Arab League has offered that multiple times over the past two decades. The Palestinians on the West Bank over the past two decades have shown they want the 2-state solution. The citizens of Gaza have no choice with JAamas in control but the majority would favor a 2-state solution so long as the blockade ended and there was a peacekeeping force to keep the Israeli army out.

The parties not wanting a 2-state are Hamas, and Netanyahu/Likud/religious extremenists and the settlers.

The alterernative to a 2-state solution would be to merge Israel, WB and GAza into one country where everyone is an equal citizen and one person, one ote.. The Israelis do not want that.
 
I can post links showing where current polling stands on both Palestinian and Israeli sides. A great majority of both groups do not support the two state solution in this post 10/07 era. There are various reasons for this lack of support but the bottom line is that - as I note previously - both sides think they can wait it out. This is the crux of the conflict - not the occupation - because this idea, that our side can have it all if we wait it out, is why there was never a Palestinian state created in 1947. It's also why the Arabs invaded Israel over and over again. It's why Israel occupied the West Bank, Gaza, Golan - it's why we have never had a real agreement for peace.

I agree that the 2 state solution is the ONLY solution, but that is a long term goal. Israel is not going to acquiesce to a Palestinian state in this post 10/07 era anytime soon.

My hope is for some sort of provisional authority that can manage Gaza's infrastructure that is both Palestinian, Arab, and Intl. Israel will not disengage militarily - so any governing body will be viewed skeptically by the Palestinians - and justifiably so - but it's naive to think Israel will just disengage.
 
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Bibi was trying to sabotage or delay a ceasefire, IMO. Fucking traitor to humanity.

And Fuck Hamas, of course — they took these folks hostage and they held them all this time and they murdered them rather than let them be freed by IDF force.
 
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Middle East Crisis: Grief Mixes With Anger After Recovery of 6 Dead Hostages

One of the hostages, Hersh Goldberg-Polin, was an American citizen. Israelis lashed out at Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, accusing him of torpedoing efforts to secure a cease-fire in exchange for the hostages’ release.
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The Israeli military said on Sunday that six bodies found in Gaza were hostages who had been “brutally murdered” by Hamas, setting off a wave of nationwide grief mixed with anger.

Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, the military’s chief spokesman, said the bodies had been recovered a day earlier from a tunnel underneath the city of Rafah in southern Gaza, close to where a seventh hostage, Farhan al-Qadi, was found alive last week.

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Advocates for the hostages and members of Mr. Netanyahu’s political opposition swiftly accused the Israeli leader of torpedoing monthslong efforts to broker a deal with Hamas for a cease-fire in Gaza and the release of hostages, further imperiling them.

“For 11 months, the government of Israel led by Netanyahu failed to do what is expected of a government — to bring its sons and daughters home,” a group representing the families of hostages said in a statement. “Netanyahu: Enough of the excuses. Enough of the spin. Enough of the abandonment.”

The raw responses to the deaths — Israel’s military said an initial assessment showed the hostages had been killed by Hamas shortly before being found — put into focus the stark divisions within Israel over the war.

Many hostage families and their supporters have called for a deal with Hamas without delay, even if it leaves the group intact. Mr. Netanyahu and his allies have said a bad deal with Hamas could put Israel’s long-term security at risk.

On Sunday, Israel’s defense minister, Yoav Gallant, appeared to protest Mr. Netanyahu’s approach to the cease-fire negotiations. He responded to news of the dead hostages by calling for the reversal of a cabinet decision last week to keep Israel’s forces in the Philadelphi Corridor, a narrow strip of land along the border of Gaza and Egypt that Israeli officials say Hamas has used to smuggle in weapons.

Hamas has demanded a complete Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, including from the corridor. In the cabinet meeting last week, Mr. Gallant strongly opposed the decision, insinuating that it was tantamount to abandoning the hostages, Israel’s Channel 12 reported.

Yair Lapid, the leader of the opposition, publicly accused Mr. Netanyahu on Sunday of turning his back on the hostages.
 

Anger in Israel after IDF says six hostages were ‘brutally murdered’​


“…
  • Israel’s military recovered the bodies of six hostages it said Hamas had killed in Gaza, including Hersh Goldberg-Polin, the Israel-American captive who became one of the most widely recognized faces of the hostage crisis.
  • Three of the six hostages whose bodies were recovered had been expected to be released during the first phase of an eventual ceasefire agreement, two Israeli officials have told CNN.
  • Protests have started across Israel, and fresh anger is growing toward Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for failing to secure the release of hostages still held in Gaza. The Hostage Families Forum told him Sunday: “Stop blaming everyone. Take responsibility for your failures.” …”
 
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Spontaneous demonstrations erupt across Israel as people demand Gaza deal​

From CNN's Tamar Michaelis
A number of protests are taking place across Israel following the recovery of the bodies of six hostages in Gaza, with demonstrators’ anger directed at the government’s handling of the crisis.

Protests have occurred or are ongoing in Tel Aviv, Ra’anana, Rehovot and Be’er Sheva.

In several instances, protesters have blocked roads – demanding an immediate agreement to secure the remaining hostages’ release.

The banner at one protest read: “Look them in the eyes.” …”
 
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