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HintonJamesHeel said:
That’s not something they’d have hidden for years.
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They almost certainly would have advertised it. That’s how you get the gravitas, right? That’s it. Just blow up some shit in the ocean or the desert. I mean, out of thousands of nuclear weapons around the world, only two have been used and look at who did that. The commies, the stagnating Euro powers, the Hindus, the Muslims all have the bomb and we’ve been led to believe so and so will use it, but some 80 years later the only country to have used nukes is a primarily Christian democracy. Hell, the Jews have the bomb and a legitimate beef with pretty much fucking everybody considering how they were treated for a couple hundred years but even they’ve refrained and restraint isn’t their strong suit.
Anyway it would be hilariously ironic (and tragic) if WWIII started because Israel attacked Iran (again).
 
BlooVooDoo said:
Not gonna lie - I’ll laugh my ass off if they’ve had a nuke for the last couple of years.
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No chance.
  • You make one.
  • Make a second one.
  • Make a missile you can use to deliver a nuclear warhead.
  • Make a second missile to demonstrate its effectiveness
  • Explode 1st or 2nd nuke
  • You’re now a nuclear power
Now that you’re a nuclear power, no nation-state fucks with you.

At best (or worst), India and Pakistan engage in playground fights.
 
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There's a reason bad regime's are allowed to exist in the Middle East. Would have thought we had learned that lesson in Iraq. That said, we all should have total confidence that Bibi and Trump can manage the aftermath in Iran should they succeed in causing Iran's government to fall.
 
BlueSmoke said:
There's a reason bad regime's are allowed to exist in the Middle East. Would have thought we had learned that lesson in Iraq. That said, we all should have total confidence that Bibi and Trump can manage the aftermath in Iran should they succeed in causing Iran's government to fall.
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Not all bad regime's are equal. Iran has a religious extremist regime. Saddam Hussein successfully controlled religious extremism.

He was evil and probably the closest thing we've had to Hitler 2.0, but he was right, in principle, in wanting to tamp down Muslim fundamentalism.
 

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Israel Katz says Iran's supreme leader 'can no longer be allowed to exist'​

Israel’s defence minister said on Thursday that Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei “can no longer be allowed to exist” after Soroka hospital in southern Israel was hit during an Iranian missile attack, Agence France-Presse (AFP) reports.


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Apparently Israel has a problem with hospitals being targets. Israel Katz really should tell Israel the country about that.
 

Netanyahu says US is already helping Israel 'a lot' with Iran conflict​


Speaking at Soroka hospital in Beersheba, Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked about Donald Trump’s intentions and whether Israel expected the president to join the bombing campaign against Iran.

The president said at the hospital:

That’s a decision for the president to make, but I can tell you that they’re already helping a lot, because they’re participating in the protection of the skies over Israel and its cities.

President Trump will do what’s best for America. I trust his judgment. He is a tremendous friend, a tremendous world leader, a tremendous friend of Israel and the Jewish people.

And we will do what we have to do, and we are doing it. We are committed to destroying the nuclear threat, the threat of a nuclear annihilation against Israel. We’re able to do it.

But I have to say that the partnership with the United States, the partnership with President Trump, with whom I speak to almost every day, is incredible.
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Netanyahu says US is already helping Israel 'a lot' with Iran conflict​


Speaking at Soroka hospital in Beersheba, Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked about Donald Trump’s intentions and whether Israel expected the president to join the bombing campaign against Iran.

The president said at the hospital:
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Bibi is trying to pull us into his war. No thank you.
 
If you have a NYT sub and haven't listened to Ezra Klein's interview with Ehud Barak - you should. I am pretty pessimistic about Israel's political situation and its relationships with its neighbors, but. I think Barak has always been a light in the darkness, and he is no different here.


So yes, look, it’s very hard for the Israelis to overcome, in generations, the obsession of being the victims of hatred. We so much fell in love with the status of being the underdog, the victim of hatred, of antisemitism, of discrimination, of segregation, of whatever — that we fall into this in every possible occasion that we have. And it’s so easy for so many among us to say: OK, what do they want from us? Don’t we have a right to defend ourselves after what they did on the 7th of October? So now we are defending ourselves. But when we defend ourselves, they hate us. and they attack us, and they riot against us and whatnot.

This is part of the emotional immaturity which has characterized the state of Israel since its proclamation. Also because we had many different occasions in which we could argue that when we were ready for compromise, the other side was not, and as a result of it, we were dragged into these endless wars when it could have been resolved.

One of the problems that I personally have is that whenever I argue, people say to me: Hey, are you not an example? You proposed a comprehensive solution to the Palestinians in 2008 that is entirely compatible with everything that they were demanding all these years: a two-state solution on the basis of ’67’s, with the Old City of Jerusalem not under the exclusive sovereignty of either Israel or Palestine but under a trust of five nations, of which Israel and Palestine were to be part, also with America, with Saudi Arabia, with Jordan, and that you agreed to negotiate the refugee issue within the framework of the Arab Peace Initiative. This was the spirit of what I said in Annapolis, and this is what I presented Abu Mazen as a peace plan, representing the government of Israel, and the outcome was that they didn’t sign. They never said no, it’s true, but they never said yes.

So people come to me now and say: What do they want? Do they want peace? The fact is that they failed to answer you when you presented them with everything that they wanted. So this is a strong argument, and this is something that so many Israelis are anxious to fall in love with, to prove that the other side is not ready and is untrustable and unreliable and never will be accepting and so on and so forth.

But let’s not forget: From 2009 until now, the Israeli government didn’t want to make peace. No Israeli government at that time was ready to embark on a meaningful, serious process of negotiations similar to what I did. Also, in all those years, the security agencies of the Palestinian Authority cooperated with the Israeli Secret Service in order to battle terror from the West Bank. And at the same time, the Israeli government ignored the Palestinian Authority and cultivated Hamas with money that came from Qatar.

But at the end of the day, so many of the Israelis say: Listen, we don’t want to hear about that. We don’t want to deal with that. They hate us. They didn’t want to make peace. They’re terrorists. They’re fundamentalists. They are ayatollahs. They are jihadis. They are whatnot. And we have to be strong and defend ourselves.

OK, we have to cope with this, and we have to change it. For me, it’s my life’s mission. I have nothing else to fight for but to try and change this and contribute to change this balance.
 
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