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[farce©]

You’re pissing in the wind responding to his bullshit. The goalposts will simply move again.

 

[hedge]

Common factors "CAN" include, not "DO ALWAYS" include.

Oh the irony. The master of the qualified statement ("it seems to me that perhaps the prescence of X could possibly indicate that the idea I am floating here (but don't really believe myself) quite possibly might be feasible") is putting "can" under a microscope...

 

[ZenMode]

Israeli attacks kill dozens in Gaza, including 36 in school-turned-shelter​

Israeli attacks kill dozens in Gaza, including 36 in school-turned-shelter

Attacks on civilian infrastructure rising during Israel’s ‘intensified’ offensive on battered enclave.

www.aljazeera.com

That's not uprovoked. That's clearly apart of the current war which was started by Hamas on October 7th, 2023.

I'll also note that one of the civilians confirmed that Hamas is using the school to hide and store weapons in:

“We are nothing but defenceless peaceful civilians. We have nothing to do with the fighters and the weapons.”

How concerned is Hamas about civilian lives? Clearly not at all, which is why they hide their weapons and fighters in a fucking schools where innocent civilians are sheltering and, in the same day as this attack, continued to fire into Israel.

Meanwhile, the Israeli military said three projectiles were fired from Gaza towards southern Israel. Two landed inside Gaza and one was intercepted by Israel’s missile defence system, it said.

 

[evrheel]

That's not uprovoked. That's clearly apart of the current war which was started by Hamas on October 7th, 2023.

I'll also note that one of the civilians confirmed that Hamas is using the school to hide and store weapons in:

“We are nothing but defenceless peaceful civilians. We have nothing to do with the fighters and the weapons.”

How concerned is Hamas about civilian lives? Clearly not at all, which is why they hide their weapons and fighters in a fucking schools where innocent civilians are sheltering and, in the same day as this attack, continued to fire into Israel.

Meanwhile, the Israeli military said three projectiles were fired from Gaza towards southern Israel. Two landed inside Gaza and one was intercepted by Israel’s missile defence system, it said. You should take your act on the road

Lol Ha ha Ha

That's not uprovoked. That's clearly apart of the current war which was started by Hamas on October 7th, 2023.

I'll also note that one of the civilians confirmed that Hamas is using the school to hide and store weapons in:

“We are nothing but defenceless peaceful civilians. We have nothing to do with the fighters and the weapons.”

How concerned is Hamas about civilian lives? Clearly not at all, which is why they hide their weapons and fighters in a fucking schools where innocent civilians are sheltering and, in the same day as this attack, continued to fire into Israel.

Meanwhile, the Israeli military said three projectiles were fired from Gaza towards southern Israel. Two landed inside Gaza and one was intercepted by Israel’s missile defence system, it said.

What a bunch of shit. You should take your act on the road

 

[nycfan]

New U.S. Plan to Pause Gaza War Draws Hamas Criticism​

The militant group wants agreement to include a commitment to halt the fighting​

—> https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-ea...47?st=f16Vwb&reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink

“… The agreement calls for Hamas to release 10 of the roughly 20 hostages Israel believes are still alive and the bodies of another 19 within the first week of the deal in exchange for a 60-day cease-fire and the release of Palestinians held by Israel, according to a draft reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

The draft says President Trump would announce the deal if an agreement is reached, and envoy Steve Witkoffwould preside over the talks.

The U.S. said Israel has signed off on the proposal. Hamas has said it is studying it, but Hamas officials have criticized its lack of a commitment to halt the fighting or clarify the withdrawal of Israeli forces….”

 

[HintonJamesHeel]

At what point do Palestinians raise up and overthrow Hamas? There were periods of short protest but they sure didn’t last long.

 

[Geisterfahrer]

It actually did rain missiles into Israel, thousands of them, launched from Gaza, all prior to 10/7. Israel is the only country in the world expected to sit by and do nothing while its neighbor launches thousands of missiles at civilians.

Israel never “sits by and does nothing.” Give me a fucking break.

 

[RaiGuy]

At what point do Palestinians raise up and overthrow Hamas? There were periods of short protest but they sure didn’t last long.

You think a starving population that is dodging bombs has the ability to do that when one of the world's strongest armies supposedly hasn't been able to do that in 20 months? Yeah, totally makes sense

 

[HintonJamesHeel]

You think a starving population that is dodging bombs has the ability to do that when one of the world's strongest armies supposedly hasn't been able to do that in 20 months? Yeah, totally makes sense

I have no clue. I know it doesn’t work when you offer up negotiations and Hamas says “we aren’t sure.”

 

[4thgenheel]

At what point do Palestinians raise up and overthrow Hamas? There were periods of short protest but they sure didn’t last long.

 

[superrific]

You keep claiming I spout off about things I don't know about while you seem to be wholly uninformed about the realities of not only Muslim terrorists in general, but especially Hamas.

You believe, based on generic research, that it's ineffective, yet you likely know, without admitting it, that not regulating Gaza would resort in the death of significantly more Israelis.

Sure. What Israel should do is the "right* thing which would result in mass murder of its people.

I Never said there was. It's just interesting that you have all kinds of things to say, but can't muster even a thought when asked what Israel should do.

1. I am actually far more informed about the realities of Muslim terrorists than you are. You see, when I first started teaching, I had a thought that maybe we might want to offer a course in sharia finance. It's an interesting field, because the Muslim world bankers have managed to construct a financial system on top of a biblical command that should prevent it: i.e. in sharia, it's illegal to charge interest on a loan. I don't know all that much about the details, but they get around the "interest on a loan" by styling the loan as a repurchase agreement. That's the very brief version but it's more complicated.

[Note: one reason I was interested in the topic was that we had many Saudi grad students at the law school, and I had a good working relationship with them. In fact, one of my students became famous by writing about an idea he and I talked about a bit (it was my idea, of course, as the professor): that a weakness in Saudi financial regulations was the absence of preferred stock, because preferred stock is the way venture capital investments work, and the Saudis were unlikely to attract venture capital without some equivalent financial instrument. I might have been able to forge something of an international reputation out of it, except the Saudis stopped sending their students to the US so my connections were severed.]

So I contacted a professor in the Arab Studies department who had written about sharia and he and I talked. In particular, he was interested in the practice of sharia-compliant money laundering. I was like, "why do money launderers bother to comply with sharia law while breaking secular law, to accomplish ends that violate sharia law," and the answer given was to read his book, which I did not get around to. But in those discussions, I learned quite a bit about how terrorist groups in Pakistan (that was his specialty area) are organized and operate.

2. And again, that's the difference between us. Before I form an opinion, I consult with experts, directly if possible or more commonly through their writings. Since I have not done that, I don't form opinions. You seem to treat that as a character flaw, but in reality it's a character strength. It's why I know so many things -- because I don't let myself be satisfied until I do.

So you are never going to get an answer from me about "what should Israel do." I am proud of not having an answer, because it's a sign that I'm a rational person, humble in the face of truth, and more interested in understanding than shooting off my mouth. Somehow you are proud of being the precise opposite.

 

[ZenMode]

At what point do Palestinians raise up and overthrow Hamas? There were periods of short protest but they sure didn’t last long.

Very unlikely to happen because the majority support the total destruction of Israel. Even if things continue to get progressively worse in Gaza, I bet most people will blame Israel, not their own government who brought this on them.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

Israel never “sits by and does nothing.” Give me a fucking break.

Of course they don’t. They are simply expected to by many. A bar that no other country seems to have.

 

[Carolina Fever]

It's a circle with no end until one side is completely destroyed. Hamas carries out a terrorist attack, and Isreal responds by killing as many Palestinians as possible and say they are just defending themselves, which makes Hamas want to carry out more attacks, and round and round it goes.

 

[superrific]

Of course they don’t. They are simply expected to by many. A bar that no other country seems to have.

Show me one person anywhere who has said that Israel should be expected to do nothing. That person does not exist. Nobody has the opinion you are ascribing to them.

Is it too much to ask that you accurately represent the views of the people you criticize? I do that. Why can't you? Why must you equate, "don't kill 100K citizens with a combination of bombs, shootings, starvation and disease" with "do nothing." Those are two extreme positions, between which exists a panoply of reasonable responses. For instance, the crippling of Hezbollah which, to the best of my knowledge, has not been criticized except perhaps by Hezbollah.

 

[HintonJamesHeel]

Very unlikely to happen because the majority support the total destruction of Israel. Even if things continue to get progressively worse in Gaza, I bet most people will blame Israel, not their own government who brought this on them.

That’s the thing I struggle with. Palestinians want the total destruction of Israel but almost have Hamas as cover. We can’t control them. We won’t like that they are in charge. In reality, they are ok with the end mission.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

Show me one person anywhere who has said that Israel should be expected to do nothing. That person does not exist. Nobody has the opinion you are ascribing to them.

Is it too much to ask that you accurately represent the views of the people you criticize? I do that. Why can't you? Why must you equate, "don't kill 100K citizens with a combination of bombs, shootings, starvation and disease" with "do nothing." Those are two extreme positions, between which exists a panoply of reasonable responses. For instance, the crippling of Hezbollah which, to the best of my knowledge, has not been criticized except perhaps by Hezbollah.

I was referring to the insistence that Israel was not abiding by the pre-10/7 ceasefire due to the amount of Palestinians killed prior to 10/7. There isn’t much of a ceasefire if one side is launching thousands of missiles at the other side. Of course the other side is going to respond, and vice versa.

 

[ZenMode]

Of course they don’t. They are simply expected to by many. A bar that no other country seems to have.

I would say that Israel is permitted to respond, but not in a way that would allow them to thoroughly win.

I'm not necessarily endorsing the method of victory, but the US fought a brutal war against Japan and, I would say, thoroughly won. Japan is now an ally. There's no chance of that happening in Israel's situation as long as Hamas is in power, which makes thorough victory that much more important.

Israel is, or at least has been, disallowed from even trying thoroughly defeating Hamas. It seems they are finally resisting international pressures and doing what is best for Israel and its citizens.

 

[nycfan]

 

[superrific]

I was referring to the insistence that Israel was not abiding by the pre-10/7 ceasefire due to the amount of Palestinians killed prior to 10/7. There isn’t much of a ceasefire if one side is launching thousands of missiles at the other side. Of course the other side is going to respond, and vice versa.

You're conflating two very different things. Lots of those prior-10/7 deaths were in the West Bank, were instigated by aggressive Israeli settlers, and had nothing to do with Gaza at all.