Israel Hamas War, West Bank, Etc. | Hostilities resume

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[superrific]

So, I've asked multiple times and haven't received an answer. What should Israel do? Give Gaza their state sovereignty and pray that more deadly weapons aren't immediately pumped in there from terrorist countries around the world?

1. From your link:

"Trisko Darden stresses that terrorism and terrorist recruitment must be understood as context-specific. What drives either in Turkey or Latin America may be quite different from what drives them in Nigeria or Sri Lanka. But regardless of geography, common factors can include limited economic opportunities for young people, systematized discrimination and corruption on a governmental or societal level."

Obviously many of the leaders are educated and affluent. The grunts who actually do the work? Not so much. This is incredibly well-established.

2. I'm not going to give you an answer. I don't know what Israel should do, because a) I'm not Israeli; b) I'm not a military strategist; c) I don't know Israeli law; d) I don't have any insight to the facts on the ground.

You like to spout off on topics you know nothing about. I do not. What I do know is that the blockade is illegal, largely ineffective and wrong. There is no law that says a person must have an opinion about everything regardless of knowledge

 

[ZenMode]

1. From your link:

"Trisko Darden stresses that terrorism and terrorist recruitment must be understood as context-specific. What drives either in Turkey or Latin America may be quite different from what drives them in Nigeria or Sri Lanka. But regardless of geography, common factors can include limited economic opportunities for young people, systematized discrimination and corruption on a governmental or societal level."

Common factors "CAN" include, not "DO ALWAYS" include.

Obviously many of the leaders are educated and affluent. The grunts who actually do the work? Not so much. This is incredibly well-established.

You've yet to provide any relevant support for this being a significant factor as it relates to Muslim terrorism.

2. I'm not going to give you an answer. I don't know what Israel should do, because a) I'm not Israeli; b) I'm not a military strategist; c) I don't know Israeli law; d) I don't have any insight to the facts on the ground.

Here are the relevant facts: Israel/Israelis live next door to a group of people who are quite literally hell-bent on wiping them off the face of the Earth and Israel has quite literally no governing body to turn to for help. Nobody. Why? Because terrorists don't give a flying fuck about the UN and their resolutions or anything else the UN has to say. Plus a significant portion of the UN likely wants Israel wiped out.

You like to spout off on topics you know nothing about. I do not.

You keep claiming I spout off about things I don't know about while you seem to be wholly uninformed about the realities of not only Muslim terrorists in general, but especially Hamas.

What I do know is that the blockade is illegal, largely ineffective

You believe, based on generic research, that it's ineffective, yet you likely know, without admitting it, that not regulating Gaza would resort in the death of significantly more Israelis.

and wrong.

Sure. What Israel should do is the "right* thing which would result in mass murder of its people.

There is no law that says a person must have an opinion about everything regardless of knowledge

I Never said there was. It's just interesting that you have all kinds of things to say, but can't muster even a thought when asked what Israel should do.

 

[RaiGuy]

 

[farce©]

I will tell you what Israel should do. They should stop killing Palestinian civilians. They have extracted their revenge for a terrorist attack almost 2 years ago. What they are engaged in now is ethnic cleansing. It is unconscionable and we should not be supporting them.

 

[Zoo_View]

Remember, the Israelis are making sure they aren’t bombing or attacking or shooting at civilians….especially children.

The Israelis are doing SURGICAL strikes that only kill or wound Hamas.

 

[farce©]

Because they know exactly which ones are Hamas, right?

Can you imagine how many future terrorists Israel is creating every day? I assure you Israel knows, which is why they are choosing to eradicate Palestinian children. They just see future terrorists because they know their behavior is radicalizing any child that survives this abomination they are perpetrating.

 

[nycfan]

Israel accepts a US proposal for a temporary Gaza ceasefire and Hamas gives a cool response​

Israel accepts a US proposal for a temporary Gaza ceasefire and Hamas gives a cool response

The White House says Israel has accepted a new U.S. proposal for a temporary ceasefire with Hamas. White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt on Thursday said special envoy Steve Witkoff and President Donald Trump submitted a ceasefire proposal that Israel has "backed and supported."

apnews.com

“Israel has accepted a new U.S. proposal for a temporary ceasefire with Hamas, the White House said Thursday.

… Hamas officials gave the Israeli-approved draft a cool response, but said they wanted to study the proposal more closely before giving a formal answer.

… a Hamas official and an Egyptian official independently confirmed some of the details. They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive talks.

They say it calls for a 60-day pause in fighting, guarantees of serious negotiations leading to a long-term truce and assurances that Israel will not resume hostilities after the release of hostages, as it did in March. Israeli forces would pull back to the positions they held during the ceasefire Israel ended that month.

Hamas would release 10 living hostages and a number of bodies during the 60-day pause in exchange for more than 1,100 Palestinians imprisoned by Israel, including 100 serving long sentences after being convicted of deadly attacks.

Each day, hundreds of trucks carrying food and humanitarian aid would be allowed to enter Gaza, where experts say a nearly three-month Israeli blockade — slightly eased in recent days — has pushed the population to the brink of famine….”

 

[nycfan]

 

[ZenMode]

Remember, the Israelis are making sure they aren’t bombing or attacking or shooting at civilians….especially children.

The Israelis are doing SURGICAL strikes that only kill or wound Hamas.

Strawman

 

[ZenMode]

Israel accepts a US proposal for a temporary Gaza ceasefire and Hamas gives a cool response​

Israel accepts a US proposal for a temporary Gaza ceasefire and Hamas gives a cool response

The White House says Israel has accepted a new U.S. proposal for a temporary ceasefire with Hamas. White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt on Thursday said special envoy Steve Witkoff and President Donald Trump submitted a ceasefire proposal that Israel has "backed and supported."

apnews.com

“Israel has accepted a new U.S. proposal for a temporary ceasefire with Hamas, the White House said Thursday.

… Hamas officials gave the Israeli-approved draft a cool response, but said they wanted to study the proposal more closely before giving a formal answer.

… a Hamas official and an Egyptian official independently confirmed some of the details. They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive talks.

They say it calls for a 60-day pause in fighting, guarantees of serious negotiations leading to a long-term truce and assurances that Israel will not resume hostilities after the release of hostages, as it did in March. Israeli forces would pull back to the positions they held during the ceasefire Israel ended that month.

Hamas would release 10 living hostages and a number of bodies during the 60-day pause in exchange for more than 1,100 Palestinians imprisoned by Israel, including 100 serving long sentences after being convicted of deadly attacks.

Each day, hundreds of trucks carrying food and humanitarian aid would be allowed to enter Gaza, where experts say a nearly three-month Israeli blockade — slightly eased in recent days — has pushed the population to the brink of famine….”

"They say it calls for a 60-day pause in fighting, guarantees of serious negotiations leading to a long-term truce and assurances that Israel will not resume hostilities after the release of hostages, as it did in March. Israeli forces would pull back to the positions they held during the ceasefire Israel ended that month."

What a fucking joke. There is no long-term truce with Hamas. They're terrorists whose publicly stated goal to eliminate Israel.

There was a cease fire on 10/6. Who broke it?

If the "long-term" truce is agreed to, who will break it? Gaza or Israel?

Anyone want to take that bet? I'll take Gaza/Hamas and give 10-1 odds.

 

[Calheel]

"They say it calls for a 60-day pause in fighting, guarantees of serious negotiations leading to a long-term truce and assurances that Israel will not resume hostilities after the release of hostages, as it did in March. Israeli forces would pull back to the positions they held during the ceasefire Israel ended that month."

What a fucking joke. There is no long-term truce with Hamas. They're terrorists whose publicly states foalnis to eliminate Israel.

There was a cease fire on 10/6. Who broke it?

If the "long-term" truce is agreed to, who will break it? Gaza or Israel?

Anyone want to take that bet? I'll take Gaza/Hamas and give 10-1 odds.

I’ll take the bet. $5,000 vs. $50,000?

I’ll let @Rock hold the money. My last offer never got accepted.

 

[RaiGuy]

"They say it calls for a 60-day pause in fighting, guarantees of serious negotiations leading to a long-term truce and assurances that Israel will not resume hostilities after the release of hostages, as it did in March. Israeli forces would pull back to the positions they held during the ceasefire Israel ended that month."

What a fucking joke. There is no long-term truce with Hamas. They're terrorists whose publicly states foalnis to eliminate Israel.

There was a cease fire on 10/6. Who broke it?

If the "long-term" truce is agreed to, who will break it? Gaza or Israel?

Anyone want to take that bet? I'll take Gaza/Hamas and give 10-1 odds.

Israel violated the last ceasefire hundreds of times before they pulled out. They always do that shit.
So, there was a ceasefire pre Oct 7, right? Then how did hundreds of Palestinians get killed prior to that in 2023? Was there some kind of weird weather event where it rained bullets?

 

[ZZLPHeels]

Israel violated the last ceasefire hundreds of times before they pulled out. They always do that shit.
So, there was a ceasefire pre Oct 7, right? Then how did hundreds of Palestinians get killed prior to that in 2023? Was there some kind of weird weather event where it rained bullets?

It actually did rain missiles into Israel, thousands of them, launched from Gaza, all prior to 10/7. Israel is the only country in the world expected to sit by and do nothing while its neighbor launches thousands of missiles at civilians.

 

[ZenMode]

Israel violated the last ceasefire hundreds of times before they pulled out. They always do that shit.
So, there was a ceasefire pre Oct 7, right? Then how did hundreds of Palestinians get killed prior to that in 2023? Was there some kind of weird weather event where it rained bullets?

IDF, not responding to an attack by Gaza, attacked and killed hundreds of Palestinians for no reason?

Link?

 

[evrheel]

IDF, not responding to an attack by Gaza, attacked and killed hundreds of Palestinians for no reason?

Link?

Israeli attacks kill dozens in Gaza, including 36 in school-turned-shelter​

Israeli attacks kill dozens in Gaza, including 36 in school-turned-shelter

Attacks on civilian infrastructure rising during Israel’s ‘intensified’ offensive on battered enclave.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[farce©]

You’re pissing in the wind responding to his bullshit. The goalposts will simply move again.

 

[hedge]

Common factors "CAN" include, not "DO ALWAYS" include.

Oh the irony. The master of the qualified statement ("it seems to me that perhaps the prescence of X could possibly indicate that the idea I am floating here (but don't really believe myself) quite possibly might be feasible") is putting "can" under a microscope...

 

[ZenMode]

Israeli attacks kill dozens in Gaza, including 36 in school-turned-shelter​

Israeli attacks kill dozens in Gaza, including 36 in school-turned-shelter

Attacks on civilian infrastructure rising during Israel’s ‘intensified’ offensive on battered enclave.

www.aljazeera.com

That's not uprovoked. That's clearly apart of the current war which was started by Hamas on October 7th, 2023.

I'll also note that one of the civilians confirmed that Hamas is using the school to hide and store weapons in:

“We are nothing but defenceless peaceful civilians. We have nothing to do with the fighters and the weapons.”

How concerned is Hamas about civilian lives? Clearly not at all, which is why they hide their weapons and fighters in a fucking schools where innocent civilians are sheltering and, in the same day as this attack, continued to fire into Israel.

Meanwhile, the Israeli military said three projectiles were fired from Gaza towards southern Israel. Two landed inside Gaza and one was intercepted by Israel’s missile defence system, it said.

 

[evrheel]

That's not uprovoked. That's clearly apart of the current war which was started by Hamas on October 7th, 2023.

I'll also note that one of the civilians confirmed that Hamas is using the school to hide and store weapons in:

“We are nothing but defenceless peaceful civilians. We have nothing to do with the fighters and the weapons.”

How concerned is Hamas about civilian lives? Clearly not at all, which is why they hide their weapons and fighters in a fucking schools where innocent civilians are sheltering and, in the same day as this attack, continued to fire into Israel.

Meanwhile, the Israeli military said three projectiles were fired from Gaza towards southern Israel. Two landed inside Gaza and one was intercepted by Israel’s missile defence system, it said. You should take your act on the road

Lol Ha ha Ha

That's not uprovoked. That's clearly apart of the current war which was started by Hamas on October 7th, 2023.

I'll also note that one of the civilians confirmed that Hamas is using the school to hide and store weapons in:

“We are nothing but defenceless peaceful civilians. We have nothing to do with the fighters and the weapons.”

How concerned is Hamas about civilian lives? Clearly not at all, which is why they hide their weapons and fighters in a fucking schools where innocent civilians are sheltering and, in the same day as this attack, continued to fire into Israel.

Meanwhile, the Israeli military said three projectiles were fired from Gaza towards southern Israel. Two landed inside Gaza and one was intercepted by Israel’s missile defence system, it said.

What a bunch of shit. You should take your act on the road