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farce© said:
How does Israel determine who is Hamas?
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They have a pretty good idea who the leadership is due to their beefy intelligence apparatus. They are also able to intercept phone calls and identify Hamas soldiers through other intelligence means. This works well for pre-planned, targeted strikes. For your average soldier or commander in the heat of the moment, though, I suspect there is no good way to identify who is Hamas and who isn't.
 
altmin said:
The Guardian:

At least 27 Palestinians killed and dozens wounded by Israeli fire near food distribution point, say local health authorities​

At least 27 Palestinians were killed and dozens wounded by Israeli fire near a food distribution site in the southern Gaza Strip on Tuesday, local health authorities said.

It is the third consecutive day of similar incidents as Israel attempts to impose a new aid distribution regime on the Gaza Strip, which it has been blockading for weeks.

The Israeli military said its forces had opened fire on a group of individuals who had left designated access routes near the distribution centre in Rafah.

Journalists have not been able to independently the casualty count, but Reuters reports a spokesperson for the International Committee of the Red Cross told the news agency its field hospital in Rafah received 184 casualties, adding that 19 of those were declared dead upon arrival, and eight died of their wounds shortly after.
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AP report

 
HintonJamesHeel said:
The things that are being asked of Israel are insane.

They are at war with a group of people who elected a government who wants to annihilate them. That group takes hostages. The war escalates. Hostages not released.

Israel is then expected to facilitate and enable aid to the group of people who they are at war with.
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Oh really? Asking them to stop people from starving is insane? Asking them not to shoot at people trying to get food is insane?

You really don't understand the history. Let me educate you real quick since it has been covered many times before. First of all, half the population was not even alive when the elections happened. Secondly, Hamas was elected because the other parties were corrupt and Hamas was actually helping people and said they were promising to put down arms. However, Israel immediately started the blockade and escalated the tensions once again.

Also, you do know that Israel has way more "hostages" that they've held on to for years (way before Oct 7th), but they call them prisoners. Most have not been charged with anything and some were young children. Yet, of course, they don't count since Palestinian lives don't seem to matter.
 
RaiGuy said:
Oh really? Asking them to stop people from starving is insane? Asking them not to shoot at people trying to get food is insane?

You really don't understand the history. Let me educate you real quick since it has been covered many times before. First of all, half the population was not even alive when the elections happened. Secondly, Hamas was elected because the other parties were corrupt and Hamas was actually helping people and said they were promising to put down arms. However, Israel immediately started the blockade and escalated the tensions once again.

Also, you do know that Israel has way more "hostages" that they've held on to for years (way before Oct 7th), but they call them prisoners. Most have not been charged with anything and some were young children. Yet, of course, they don't count since Palestinian lives don't seem to matter.
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My point is Israel is at war yet they are expected to help the people they are at war with.
 
Paine said:
Is Israel at war with Hamas or with the Palestinian people as a whole? That distinction matters. Even during armed conflict, international law requires parties to protect civilians and allow humanitarian aid. Being at war doesn't give a blank check to ignore the suffering of noncombatants.
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Hamas is the government of Palestine.
 
Paine said:
Wrong. Hamas governs Gaza, not all of Palestine. The Palestinian Authority governs parts of the West Bank. But even if Hamas controls Gaza (does anyone actually think they’re controlling Gaza currently?), that doesn't erase the distinction between combatants and civilians. Governments don’t equal entire populations. That’s why targeting civilians or denying them aid is still illegal under international law.
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That is correct. And I'll add that the inducement of mass starvation is 100% a crime against humanity that has no justification.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
My point is Israel is at war yet they are expected to help the people they are at war with.
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You know who starved millions? Stalin. Mao. Pol Pot. The Sudanese in Darfur.

That's the company Bibi and Israel is keeping. I cannot think of any other examples in modern history of war-by-starvation. It has never been used by any developed world nation as a means to an end.

Telling Israel that it cannot cause a famine isn't putting them on a double standard. It is holding them to the standard that every civilized nation adheres to.
 
Paine said:
That is, “everything is fucked, I might as well get mine/provide for my immediate family.”
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My cannabis use has increased as a result of my suspicion that the future is bleak. Fortunately there's a lot left over after that "mine."
 
Thank God they found those bodies. Now finally the carnage in Gaza can stop. I'd expect the IDF to withdraw any day now, isn't that right HJH?
 
RaiGuy said:
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I heard this on BBC broadcast on NPR tonight…..I don’t find this BBC too informative……kinda like CNN Headline News was…..broad in terms of topics; shallow in terms of details.

I’m interested in your take.

In my poorly informed opinion, this looks like it will be a shitty thing for Gaza’s civilians.
 
Zoo_View said:
I heard this on BBC broadcast on NPR tonight…..I don’t find this BBC too informative……kinda like CNN Headline News was…..broad in terms of topics; shallow in terms of details.

I’m interested in your take.

In my poorly informed opinion, this looks like it will be a shitty thing for Gaza’s civilians.
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Yeah, I don’t see anything good coming from this. Basically trying to replace Hamas with a gang that’s affiliated with ISIS. Both are shitty.
 
RaiGuy said:
Yeah, I don’t see anything good coming from this. Basically trying to replace Hamas with a gang that’s affiliated with ISIS. Both are shitty.
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But, it’s Netanyahu arming an ISIS group? Hoping it’ll fight the parts of Hamas that Netanyahu doesn’t like? Right?
 
Zoo_View said:
But, it’s Netanyahu arming an ISIS group? Hoping it’ll fight the parts of Hamas that Netanyahu doesn’t like? Right?
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Lol yup, without the consent of his government. We all know how that ends up working out. Also, makes you wonder how long he has been working with ISIS groups. It is interesting that in all their time, they never seemed to be enemies with Israel. Things that make you go hmm lol
 
RaiGuy said:
In their own words…

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Maybe you can give us some words from the terrorists around the world, particularly Hamas and Hezbollah, who's stated goal is to carry out "Oct 7" attacks again and again, wiping Israel, and all the Jews therein, off the face of the Earth?

Your faux pearl clutching isn't accomplishing much.
 
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