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Could be part of a hostage release deal, and turnover of power in gaza to the PA
Israel could find them in Iran i bet. They could get special pagers too.
You make a good point, they have not let up on other terrorist or iran much.
 
superrific said:
Why is it that virtually all genocide scholars -- both historians and legal analysts -- disagree with you? Is it because you are so much more knowledgeable than they are?
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Politics? Emotion? A different opinion of what it means to commit genocide?
superrific said:
You are the most arrogant poster around. You think you know more about everything than everyone, when in reality you're just a groundling.
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It's not just me who doesn't believe Israel is committing genocide.

We discussed this on posts 2072-2074 on this thread, but this is how I define genocide:

According to the 1948 International Genocide Convention it means committing acts "with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group."

I don't see actions that make me believe Israel intends to destroy Palestinians in Gaza. I see the opposite. They warn civilians. They use targeted attacks. Just the low number of civilian deaths is reflective of a lack of intent. Israel could, if they desired, kill 50k Palestinians in an hour if not less.
 
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ZenMode said:
Politics? Emotion? A different opinion of what it means to commit genocide?

It's not just me who doesn't believe Israel is committing genocide.

We discussed this on posts 2072-2074 on this thread, but this is how I define genocide:

According to the 1948 International Genocide Convention it means committing acts "with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group."

I don't see actions that make me believe Israel intends to destroy Palestinians in Gaza. I see the opposite. They warn civilians. They use targeted attacks. Just the low number of civilians deaths is reflective of a lack of intent. Israel could, if they desired, kill 50k Palestinians in an hour if not less.
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And Dahmer could have killed a lot more quickly than he did. Doesn't mean he had any less of an intent to do so eventually. It meant he knew too much heat was bad for business. Bibi is in the same mold.
 
ZenMode said:
A different opinion of what it means to commit genocide?
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Yes. Theirs is informed. Yours is a willful misreading of a treaty you don't understand and a complete ignorance of everything that has happened since. An "opinion" without basis is trash.

There is nothing in the definition of genocide that requires it to be conducted as quickly as it possibly could be. Russia could destroy the globe with nukes in 15 minutes, so I guess that means they can't commit genocide.

And "intent" doesn't mean what you think it does, as every lawyer -- even Ramrouser! -- knows. Intent does not require a confession. Intent is not cloaked by plausible deniability. Intent can be inferred from actions, as well as statements.

I'm not talking about this with you any more. I don't fraternize with arrogant mooks.
 
superrific said:
Yes. Theirs is informed. Yours is a willful misreading of a treaty you don't understand and a complete ignorance of everything that has happened since. An "opinion" without basis is trash.

There is nothing in the definition of genocide that requires it to be conducted as quickly as it possibly could be. Russia could destroy the globe with nukes in 15 minutes, so I guess that means they can't commit genocide.

And "intent" doesn't mean what you think it does, as every lawyer -- even Ramrouser! -- knows. Intent does not require a confession. Intent is not cloaked by plausible deniability. Intent can be inferred from actions, as well as statements.

I'm not talking about this with you any more. I don't fraternize with arrogant mooks.
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The irony of the most condescending poster calling me arrogant.

It has nothing to do with arrogance. It has to do with a) a definition of a word and b) observing the objective events that would show genocide is occuring.

Hamas killed 1100 civilians in around 8 hours. They did that with knives and hand-held guns.

If Israel just matched that rate of civilian death, there would be well over 500,000 dead Palestinians by now.

The onus is on those who claim there's a genocide happening to explain why they believe that, given that the facts show otherwise.
 
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ZenMode said:
The irony of the most condescending poster calling me arrogant.

It has nothing to do with arrogance. It has to do with a) a definition of a word and b) observing the objective events that would show genocide is occuring.

Hamas killed 1100 civilians in around 8 hours. They did that with knives and hand-held guns.

If Israel just matched that rate of civilian death, there would be well over 500,000 dead Palestinians by now.

The onus is on those who claim there's a genocide happening to explain why they believe that, given that the facts show otherwise.
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Here's a pic of Gazans lining up for food at drop off point. Surrounded by destroyed buildings.
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www.nytimes.com

Satellite Image Shows Gazans Mobbing Aid Trucks

Amid warnings of famine in Gaza, a satellite captures an image of hundreds of Palestinians converging on an aid convoy.
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Bobfripp said:
Here's a pic of Gazans lining up for food at drop off point. Surrounded by destroyed buildings.
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www.nytimes.com

Satellite Image Shows Gazans Mobbing Aid Trucks

Amid warnings of famine in Gaza, a satellite captures an image of hundreds of Palestinians converging on an aid convoy.
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It's a terrible situation. It would be easier to get aid to the people if Hamas would stop using the aid stations as an opportunity to start gun fights.
 
ZenMode said:
It's a terrible situation. It would be easier to get aid to the people if Hamas would stop using the aid stations as an opportunity to start gun fights.
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Again, those allegations by Israel have been proven to be lies. There have been several articles by even US media that have debunked those lies.
 
Arab and Muslim states including Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Egypt have for the first time issued a joint call for Hamas to disarm and relinquish power in the Gaza Strip as part of efforts to end the war in the territory.

The 22-member Arab League, the entire European Union and another 17 countries backed a declaration signed at a United Nations conference co-hosted by Saudi Arabia and France on Tuesday.

Governance, law enforcement and security across all Palestinian territory must lie solely with the Palestinian Authority, with appropriate international support,” the joint document read, adding that “in the context of ending the war in Gaza, Hamas must end its rule in Gaza and hand over its weapons to the Palestinian Authority, with international engagement and support, in line with the objective of a sovereign and independent Palestinian State.”

 
ZenMode said:
They have not been proven lies.
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news.un.org

Gaza: Over 400 Palestinians killed around private aid hubs, UN rights office says

At least 410 Palestinians have been killed by the Israeli military while trying to fetch from controversial new aid hubs in Gaza – a likely war crime – the UN human rights office, OHCHR, said on Tuesday.
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altmin said:

Canada plans to recognize Palestinian state in September, Carney says​

Palestinian Authority must commit to reforms for Canada to recognize statehood​

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It seems like a big deal but what does it really mean? I seriously don't know. Does that mean they boycott Israel if Israel keeps apartheiding them? Does it mean that they put embassies in palestine? Are there real repercussions that the United States can't stop if they keep annexing West Bank land?
 
Washington Post published the names of 18,500 children killed in Gaza:


NYT editorial board came out and called the the situation in Gaza a “moral crisis”

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Opinion | Gaza’s Hunger Is a Moral Crisis

Israel and the world can do much more to alleviate the emergency.
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Interesting to see the messaging change so quickly after 2 solid years of staunchly defending Israel’s “right to self defense.”
 
ZenMode said:
They have not been proven lies.
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No Proof Hamas Routinely Stole U.N. Aid, Israeli Military Officials Say (Gift Article)

Israel has long restricted aid to Gaza on the argument that Hamas steals it to use as a weapon of control over the population. On Saturday, the Israeli military announced new airdrops of aid.
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abcnews.go.com

USAID analysis finds no evidence of widespread aid diversion by Hamas in Gaza

An analysis compiled by USAID officials says they failed to find evidence that Hamas engaged in widespread diversion of assistance in Gaza, ABC News has learned.
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Israel (and its hired gangs) is the one killing Palestinians at aid sites.
 
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