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Israel launches attack on Iran | US bombs Iran nuke sites

Batt Boy said:
They would be able to answer better than me, but from their point of view, they don't belong in Lebanon. While that may be the fault of the Israelis, they blame much of the disaster of the past 50 years on the arrival of the refugees. They think they already had a place to go, called Jordan. I'm not saying they are right. I am just telling you they don't like many people around them, but they hate the Palestinians, not because they are weak but because they are there. They almost consider themselves European or at least Phoenician and they say their country is ruined and never coming back. The demographics have changed too much. Maybe they are wrong. Just telling you what they tell me on the golf course.
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They sound like dickheads. Blaming people for "being there" when those people largely have nowhere else to reasonably be is kind of ridiculous.
 
wmheel1287 said:
They sound like dickheads. Blaming people for "being there" when those people largely have nowhere else to reasonably be is kind of ridiculous.
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It's a little more complex than that, but they might be dicks. I know they were supporters of the Guardians of the Cedars so probably not the kindest fellas. They both can putt.
 
Batt Boy said:
It's a little more complex than that, but they might be dicks. I know they were supporters of the Guardians of the Cedars so probably not the kindest fellas. They both can putt.
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Yeah, folks that support that kind of cruelty can get fucked. Find better friends.
 


“… In the Senate, only one Democrat joined most Republicans in opposing the war powers resolution. Senator John Fetterman, the Pennsylvania Democrat who has frequently broken ranks with his party on issues involving Israel, said he decided to vote against the resolution “simply because I would never want to restrict any future president, Republican or Democrat, to do this kind of military exercise.”

… A sole Republican, Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, voted in favor of the measure, citing the arguments made by President James Madison in his early writings encouraging the passage of the Constitution.

“Madison wrote in the Federalist Papers that the executive is the branch most prone to war. Therefore, the Constitution, with studied care, vested that power in the legislature,” Mr. Paul said earlier this week….”
 
Batt Boy said:
They would be able to answer better than me, but from their point of view, they don't belong in Lebanon. While that may be the fault of the Israelis, they blame much of the disaster of the past 50 years on the arrival of the refugees. They think they already had a place to go, called Jordan. I'm not saying they are right. I am just telling you they don't like many people around them, but they hate the Palestinians, not because they are weak but because they are there. They almost consider themselves European or at least Phoenician and they say their country is ruined and never coming back. The demographics have changed too much. Maybe they are wrong. Just telling you what they tell me on the golf course.
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Appreciate you giving us insight to a “niche” of Lebanon and the Lebanese.

Still strikes me as strange that they hate the Palestinians the most.

They’re from Zgharta - way up in Northern Lebanon…….a city that is 98-99% Christian………and they hate and blame Palestinians the most.

SMDH.
 
So is World War III still on or no? I remember being lambasted here last week for suggesting that Iran wouldn't be able to retaliate meaningfully.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
So is World War III still on or no? I remember being lambasted here last week for suggesting that Iran wouldn't be able to retaliate meaningfully.
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If Hamas, an Iranian proxy, has the patience to plan and execute O7, are you of the opinion the Iranian government has less measured reactivity? Israel is creating dozens of new Hamas acolytes, everyday. Who’s going to fund and guide those acolytes? Could Iran maybe, sorta get involved with reforming deadly terrorist cells? Yeah, probably.

Again, American’s have become completely infected with TikTok brain. If Iran hasn’t sponsored a major terrorist attack by the conclusion of the Trump regime, hell we can make it two years for sake of a clear endpoint, then maybe your chest thumping is warranted. Until then, you look like yet another myopic American with a dearth of cultural knowledge and humility. Iran doesn’t give a shit about your arbitary timeline re: “meaningful retaliation”.

Fwiw, I think there’s better than 50/50 Israel has largely decapitated Iran’s proxies, for a multi year period, which certainly nurtures Iran’s ability to respond, in the moment. And, said proxies are most effective when deliberate. This isn’t symmetrical warfare and you can’t overlay American reactive machismo culture onto cultures that measure themselves in millennia.
 
nycfan said:
Senator John Fetterman, the Pennsylvania Democrat who has frequently broken ranks with his party on issues involving Israel, said he decided to vote against the resolution “simply because I would never want to restrict any future president, Republican or Democrat, to do this kind of military exercise.”
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This shows such a poor understanding of the Constitution of which he has sworn to uphold.
 
p5mmr9 said:
This shows such a poor understanding of the Constitution of which he has sworn to uphold.
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Fetterman has been such a huge disappointment, much like Sinema in her single miserable term as a Senator. When she was elected in 2018 I had high hopes for her, given her background and stated political beliefs. Instead she quickly sold out and left the Senate six years later far wealthier and cozier with special interest groups while having turned her back on nearly everything she previously said she supported. Fetterman seems to be going a similar route, and I could easily see him switching parties at some point if he decides to run for reelection.
 
I'm less concerned with his ideological positioning. It's foolish to think someone who represents PA - which overwhelmingly voted for Trump in 2024 - would be anything short of a right/left center politician. I also understand his "brand" and desire to be viewed as a political outsider and how that also includes being viewed as an outsider relative to the Democratic Party. My point is that war powers are designated to Congress and that's where they should remain regardless of party. Never in our nation's history has there been a situation where an "emergency" demanded absolute immediate mass military action by the executive. It's folly and an abdication of power and authority.

If anything has been shown the last 12 months it's how vulnerable our government is to power creep and overreach. If the Democratic Party ever takes full command of Congress and the Executive Branch - they must initiate legislation limiting the executive branch's power. And if the Supreme Court opts to "weigh in" - then congress + the executive must engage in court reform. We are currently on a very dangerous path and at some point it won't matter which political party holds popular favor.

I refuse to believe that a great majority of GOP political leaders fail to see this crisis any differently.
 
CFordUNC said:
I was up with our newborn when you posted this at 2 AM ET, thought I might have to actually write a post sincerely congratulating Trump for somehow being the POTUS who finally brokered peace in the Middle East, and now at 7 AM it’s apparently no longer true. Wild!
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Be careful with this 2am feedings. I was seconds from buying a Santana sponsored guitar, amp and educational DVD during one of those feedings because at two in the morning, when you're sleep deprived, it seemed like a great idea.
 
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