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Israel launches attack on Iran | US bombs Iran nuke sites

Let’s put Trump aside for a minute. How much of a black eye is this for the military? Our biggest and bestest non-nuclear weapon did not destroy the facility as intended, but rather just busted up the foyer.
 
Purple Nurple said:
Let’s put Trump aside for a minute. How much of a black eye is this for the military? Our biggest and bestest non-nuclear weapon did not destroy the facility as intended, but rather just busted up the foyer.
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It seems that terrorists are really good at building underground cement structures.

I also don't think we know the extent of the damage. Lots of speculation....
 


“… There is no question that Israel achieved notable tactical successes, inflicting serious damage on Iran’s military command and scientific infrastructure.

But strategic objectives carry greater weight. Based on available evidence, Netanyahu’s core goals—undermining Iran’s deterrence and meaningfully rolling back the elements of its nuclear program that pose the greatest proliferation risk—remain unmet.

One of the most significant failures lies in the nuclear file. There is no confirmation that Iran’s nuclear breakout capacity has been meaningfully degraded.

While Trump administration officials have insisted that the strikes set Iran’s program back by years, early U.S. and European intelligence assessments suggest otherwise. Satellite imagery taken prior to the strikes showed trucks potentially removing sensitive equipment from key sites, and Iran had already announced the construction of a new, secret, and hardened enrichment facility that may be untouched. More critically, Iran’s stockpile of 60 percent enriched uranium and its advanced centrifuges—the core ingredients for developing a nuclear weapon—appear to remain intact.

As many analysts warned before the war, verifying serious damage to Iran’s nuclear infrastructure is impossible without on-the-ground inspections or a full-scale invasion. In the absence of either, Iran’s nuclear program is entering a far more opaque and unpredictable phase….”
 
superrific said:
I don't think it's a black eye at all. It just means air power has its limits.
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Perhaps not the military. They did do their job flawlessly, but we did not accomplish our objective. We in fact can’t just bomb Iran’s program into nonexistence. Our capabilities are seeeningly greatly exaggerated. I can’t see how that’s not a black eye for our military/intelligence apparatus.
 
Purple Nurple said:
Perhaps not the military. They did do their job flawlessly, but we did not accomplish our objective. We in fact can’t just bomb Iran’s program into nonexistence. Our capabilities are seeeningly greatly exaggerated. I can’t see how that’s not a black eye for our military/intelligence apparatus.
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It's not the intelligence/military community who decided to bomb Iran. That was Bibi, and he snookered Trump into it.

There's a reason why Obama committed to diplomacy and people need to realize that the nuclear weapons program in Iran is a problem of Trump's own making. You're a conservative guy, not hopelessly stupid. You can clearly see what is going on, right? In every aspect of our national life, the country is failing and moving backwards, largely because the entire GOP has not merely committed itself to doing what Trump wants, but committed to Trump defining their reality.
 
superrific said:
It's not the intelligence/military community who decided to bomb Iran. That was Bibi, and he snookered Trump into it.

There's a reason why Obama committed to diplomacy and people need to realize that the nuclear weapons program in Iran is a problem of Trump's own making. You're a conservative guy, not hopelessly stupid. You can clearly see what is going on, right? In every aspect of our national life, the country is failing and moving backwards, largely because the entire GOP has not merely committed itself to doing what Trump wants, but committed to Trump defining their reality.
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Oh wow Thank you for not deeming me hopelessly stupid.

Yes. Trump decided to bomb them. Don’t you think that somewhere in that calculus he was assured of the result of such an attack. I’ve read/seen for years about the MOAB and their capabilities. That didn’t pan out.

Turns out Russia doesn’t have a mighty military that will just roll over its neighbors. The USA can’t just drop bombs and obliterate the objective.

Seems like a black eye for both with regard to their military prowess.
 
Purple Nurple said:
Perhaps not the military. They did do their job flawlessly, but we did not accomplish our objective. We in fact can’t just bomb Iran’s program into nonexistence. Our capabilities are seeeningly greatly exaggerated. I can’t see how that’s not a black eye for our military/intelligence apparatus.
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I think if the military told Congress and the president that it could collapse those bunkers, it's got to be a black eye for them because it doesn't look like it happened. You can say that the military successfully went into Iraq and put the bombs where they were supposed to go, and that's probably true. The pilots and the people that supported them seem like they did a very good job, but the people that were assessing the feasibility of achieving the objectives seem to have failed.
 
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Purple Nurple said:
Perhaps not the military. They did do their job flawlessly, but we did not accomplish our objective. We in fact can’t just bomb Iran’s program into nonexistence. Our capabilities are seeeningly greatly exaggerated. I can’t see how that’s not a black eye for our military/intelligence apparatus.
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My guess is that the military intelligence had serious reservations which Trump ignores.

The two things I worried about is that 1) if Iran wasn’t rushing their nuclear program they are now and 2) we just showed the world exactly what our limitations are.

All because Trump is an idiot.
 
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