Israel reaches cease fire with Hezbollah, fighting shifts to Syria

[ZZLPHeels]

Israel is, yet again, making accusations without a shred of shared evidence. They are doing this to justify targeting those journalists. They did the same thing about the UNRWA workers where it was later revealed their claims were false. There was one reporter that was claimed to be part of Hamas in the early 2000s...where that said reporter was only 10 months old. Yeah, totally makes sense.

I understand why someone who gets their news from Al Jazeera, aka the mouthpiece of Hamas, would believe this.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

You get yours straight from the IDF.

I get mine primarily from the New York Times. I don't get mine from a "news" organization that explicitly states "we are free from the burden of having to report both sides of an issue."

 

[NYCBlueBlood]

I understand why someone who gets their news from Al Jazeera, aka the mouthpiece of Hamas, would believe this.

I have not been paying attention to Al Jazeera for quite some time. But when I was trapped in Lebanon during the 2006 war with Israel, Al Jazeera was considered to be the best source of unbiased news by Lebanese Christians.

 

[ZenMode]

Israel is, yet again, making accusations without a shred of shared evidence. They are doing this to justify targeting those journalists. They did the same thing about the UNRWA workers where it was later revealed their claims were false. There was one reporter that was claimed to be part of Hamas in the early 2000s...where that said reporter was only 10 months old. Yeah, totally makes sense.

You made this same incorrect claim about tunnels under hospitals a few days ago. Maybe your news sources just don't provide the relevant evidence. I saw the YouTube video of the tunnels months ago.

 

[RaiGuy]

I understand why someone who gets their news from Al Jazeera, aka the mouthpiece of Hamas, would believe this.

Aljazeera is the only one that has journalists in Gaza, which Israel has targeted in the past, and now will continue to target them by labeling them Hamas members. You seem to label every view that is critical of Israel as pro-Hamas so you can discredit them. It's the same tactic Israel uses to dehumanize Palestinians by accusing them of being Hamas militants.

 

[RaiGuy]

You made this same incorrect claim about tunnels under hospitals a few days ago. Maybe your news sources just don't provide the relevant evidence. I saw the YouTube video of the tunnels months ago.

No, I was saying the video you shared can not be trusted as the guy was pointing to a calendar and saying it was a list of "Khamas terrorists" in Arabic. If they blatantly lied about that, they could have easily planted the weapons there. As I have said all along, there is a reason why they ban foreign journalists from Gaza, and when in the rare occasions they allow one in, they control where they go and then they screen the report and have final say on what is reported. CNN has stated that before its reports from Gaza.

 

[ZenMode]

Doctors from hospitals around Gaza have reported children with sniper wounds to the head and chest.

If it true, there are a few possible explanations. Unfortunately, one of them is the possibility that the children, as Muslim extremists are known to do, are using children as suicide bombers. The IDF is in an impossible situation because literally any person or any vehicle can be a threat to detonate. IDF shot and killed three of their own who were only looking for help because they have no idea if the people running toward them are suicide bombers.

Unfortunately, children have been used as a tool for decades. Below is an excerpt from a NY Times article regarding the Iran-Iraq War. It'll make you sick to your stomach.

Terence Smith, a former foreign correspondent and chief White House correspondent for The New York Times, is editor of the Washington

Talk page. By Terence Smith

HEIR TICKET TO PARADISE IS the blood-red headband and the small metal key that they wear into battle. ''Sar Allah,'' (''Warriors of God''), some of the headbands read in Farsi script, identifying the wearers as divinely designated martyrs who will use their keys to go directly to heaven if killed in the holy war against Iraq declared by their leader, the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomei ni. The headbands and the keys are worn by young boys, aged 12 to 17, who are recruited by local clergy or simply rounded up in the villages of Iran, given an intensive indoctrination in the Shiite tradition of martyrdom, and then sent weaponless into battle against Iraqi armor. Often bound together in groups of 20 by ropes to prevent the fainthearted from deserting, they hurl themselves on barbed wire or march into Iraqi mine fields in the face of withering machine-gun fire to clear the way for Iranian tanks. Across the back of their khaki-colored shirts is stenciled the slogan: ''I have the special permission of the Imam to enter heaven.''

In dozens of interviews conducted by this reporter in recent weeks with Iranian exiles, academics and government and intelligence officials in the United States and Europe, the blind faith of these teen-age martyrs was frequently cited as symbolic of the fanaticism that is part of life today in the Islamic Republic of Iran. An East European journalist who witnessed one of these human-wave assaults, in which tens of thousands of young Iranians have gone willingly to their deaths, could hardly believe what he was seeing, as first one boy, and then another, detonated a mine and was hurled into the air by the explosion. ''We have so few tanks,'' an Iranian officer explained to the journalist, without apology.

IRAN: FIVE YEARS OF FANATICISM (Published 1984)

www.nytimes.com

 

[ZenMode]

There is no evidence to support that these children in Gaza were suicide bombers. That’s pure speculation on your part.

I agree, but it also can't be ruled out. It can't be ruled out that the doctors are lying. We don't know.

 

[RaiGuy]

I agree, but it also can't be ruled out. It can't be ruled out that the doctors are lying. We don't know.

Why would multiple American doctors lie? Plus, there is tons of footage online that shows they were not suicide bombers. That is just a racist/xenophobic statement to make. You just want to find a way to justify Israel killing children. It's disgusting.

 

[ZenMode]

Why would multiple American doctors lie? Plus, there is tons of footage online that shows they were not suicide bombers. That is just a racist/xenophobic statement to make. You just want to find a way to justify Israel killing children. It's disgusting.

Again 1, Muslim extremists aren't a race. There are Muslim extremists of all races. There are college educated white Americans who leave their life to go fight with terrorists.

Again 2, it's not impossible that there are IDF soldiers committing war crimes. If they are, they need to be held accountable. That is a much different statement than the bigger, and unsupported, claim that IDF is committing genocide.

What are your thoughts on the war crimes committed by Hamas on October 7th? What are you thoughts on the hostages they took?

 

[RaiGuy]

Again 1, Muslim extremists aren't a race. There are Muslim extremists of all races. There are college educated white Americans who leave their life to go fight with terrorists.

Again 2, it's not impossible that there are IDF soldiers committing war crimes. If they are, they need to be held accountable. That is a much different statement than the bigger, and unsupported, claim that IDF is committing genocide.

What are your thoughts on the war crimes committed by Hamas on October 7th? What are you thoughts on the hostages they took?

I stated racist/xenophobic as what you said applies to both.

Israel is systemically committing war crimes, and it comes from the top. It's not some random soldiers acting out. This has been going on for 75 years, but again, you only started paying attention Oct 7.

I am done answering questions about Oct 7. All that does is deflect the conversation. How about you tell me your thoughts on the war crimes committed by Israel before Oct 7th? What are your thoughts about the thousands of Palestinian political prisoners/hostages (including many children) that Israel has that were taken BEFORE Oct 7th? I am guessing you either did not know about those, or you choose to ignore it.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

Aljazeera is the only one that has journalists in Gaza, which Israel has targeted in the past, and now will continue to target them by labeling them Hamas members. You seem to label every view that is critical of Israel as pro-Hamas so you can discredit them. It's the same tactic Israel uses to dehumanize Palestinians by accusing them of being Hamas militants.

Not true at all. As I mentioned earlier, CNN, the AP, and the NYT have published many stories about the horrors that the Palestinians are going through and the crimes that the IDF is accused of. I haven't accused any of those publications as being pro-Hamas. Al Jazeera is, however. At some point you have to ask yourself why they are the only journalists that Hamas allows into Gaza.

 

[ZenMode]

I stated racist/xenophobic as what you said applies to both.

Israel is systemically committing war crimes, and it comes from the top. It's not some random soldiers acting out. This has been going on for 75 years, but again, you only started paying attention Oct 7.

I am done answering questions about Oct 7. All that does is deflect the conversation. How about you tell me your thoughts on the war crimes committed by Israel before Oct 7th? What are your thoughts about the thousands of Palestinian political prisoners/hostages (including many children) that Israel has that were taken BEFORE Oct 7th? I am guessing you either did not know about those, or you choose to ignore it.

There were two primary topics: the alleged IDF genocide for which there's no evidence and now the question of children being shot. I didn't realize they were American doctors but as I said, it's far from impossible that war crimes are being committed by individual members of IDF. That will happen in every war. It happened on October 7th at least 1,000 times and it may happen in Gaza.

 

[RaiGuy]

Not true at all. As I mentioned earlier, CNN, the AP, and the NYT have published many stories about the horrors that the Palestinians are going through and the crimes that the IDF is accused of. I haven't accused any of those publications as being pro-Hamas. Al Jazeera is, however. At some point you have to ask yourself why they are the only journalists that Hamas allows into Gaza.

LOL at your question. Israel is the one that blocks journalists from entering. Palestinians have asked for outside investigators and journalists to come in from the very start.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

LOL at your question. Israel is the one that blocks journalists from entering. Palestinians have asked for outside investigators and journalists to come in from the very start.

"We don't have the burden of having to report both sides." That says it all right there. No one is stopping you from listening to Al Jazeera, but I'm not going to.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

There is no “both sides” to a genocide.

There isn't a genocide that is occurring, despite Hamas's best intentions.

 

[RaiGuy]

There were two primary topics: the alleged IDF genocide for which there's no evidence and now the question of children being shot. I didn't realize they were American doctors but as I said, it's far from impossible that war crimes are being committed by individual members of IDF. That will happen in every war. It happened on October 7th at least 1,000 times and it may happen in Gaza.

No evidence of a genocide?



These are not isolated incidents. These have been happening for 75 years.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

No evidence of a genocide?



These are not isolated incidents. These have been happening for 75 years.

That's literally the exact same Al Jazeera mouthpiece who stated that there weren't two sides. Additionally, war crimes (in isolation) aren't genocide.

 

[RaiGuy]

There isn't a genocide that is occurring, despite Hamas's best intentions.

You can keep your head in the sand.

 

[RaiGuy]

That's literally the exact same Al Jazeera mouthpiece who stated that there weren't two sides. Additionally, war crimes (in isolation) aren't genocide.

So you're saying the clips in the video are somehow staged?

War crimes are part of a genocide.