Joe Biden Was NOT running the country

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Ramrouser said:
Au contraire. My two states, Georgia and Florida, are also "donor" states - sending more tax revenue to the US than they receive in benefits. According to the April 2025 publication by USAFACTS, Georgia has a +14B surplus with Florida having a +17B surplus.
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Balance of Payments Portal | Rockefeller Institute of Government

Explore the balance of payments between states and the Federal government.
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The Rockefeller chart is extremely detailed and goes back a decade. I didn't realize that NC was one of the top recipient states. #4 in terms of balance of payments (that is, fourth best in mooching). Probably FEMA plus NSF/NIH?
 
Ramrouser said:
Au contraire. My two states, Georgia and Florida, are also "donor" states - sending more tax revenue to the US than they receive in benefits. According to the April 2025 publication by USAFACTS, Georgia has a +14B surplus with Florida having a +17B surplus.
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That failing movie industry, according to trump, in Georgia probably helps.
 
Ramrouser said:
In what world do you live in where you can't tell if a poster is obviously joking about receiving Trump swag as a Christmas gifts from family members? I was making fun of all the "Trump watches" and "Trump sneakers" that are being offered for sale.

The extreme MAGA I was referring to are the folks who wait for 9 hours or so in the blazing heat to attend one of his rallies, covered head to toe in Trump paraphernalia waiving Trump flags. These folks boycott Fox News because it's too liberal.

Otherwise, I have no issue being labeled ultra MAGA.
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gtyellowjacket said:
Here is the article Ramrouser is referring to if anyone is interested. USAfacts is Steve Balmer's (Microsoft) site:

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Which states contribute the most and least to federal revenue? | USAFacts

In 2023, New Yorkers paid about $89 billion more to the federal government than they received.
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But it's only considering "federal obligations to the states," which is not at all the same thing as federal outlays per state.

I know, shocking that you and Rammy have little ability to read data tables.
 
lawtig02 said:
And lots of military bases.
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Yeah. I would assume that has something to do with it. I'm sure another difference between the two different sources are how they account for federal outlays. How do you account for a sailor's salary when he is on a ship in the South Pacific that is based in Japan? How do you account for a check that goes to a company who is based in Delaware when the work was done in Iowa? I suspect there are a million little things like that which would tend to move the numbers around pretty dramatically depending on how you classify these things.
 
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I think you also run into a problem with these types of metrics when you have a mobile population. It's not uncommon for people to earn their money in places like New York and Massachusetts and then retire in Florida.

So with that pretty common scenario, the federal government is going to collect taxes in those northern states and then send an awful lot of money to people in the form of social security and Medicare to their new home in the Sun belt. So while it's absolutely true that citizens in a place like Arizona are going to receive a lot of entitlement payments from the government, I wouldn't call that an issue that needs correcting.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think you also run into a problem with these types of metrics when you have a mobile population. It's not uncommon for people to earn their money in places like New York and Massachusetts and then retire in Florida.

So with that pretty common scenario, the federal government is going to collect taxes in those northern states and then send an awful lot of money to people in the form of social security and Medicare to their new home in the Sun belt. So while it's absolutely true that citizens in a place like Arizona are going to receive a lot of entitlement payments from the government, I wouldn't call that an issue that needs correcting.
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It's a pointless metric anyway for the purposes people tend to use it. I live in a deeply giver county in a taker state. I'd a million times over rather live here than in any of the taker counties in this state. I like visiting those places but they're takers for a reason, and those reasons make me not particularly interested in living there.

My only objection is when taker states/regions/counties try to gain inequitable electoral advantages over their giver counterparts. And yes, I'm aware that's enormous part of the GOP's agenda over the last 40 years, which is one of the main reasons I find that party so contemptible.
 
lawtig02 said:
It's a pointless metric anyway for the purposes people tend to use it. I live in a deeply giver county in a taker state. I'd a million times over rather live here than in any of the taker counties in this state. I like visiting those places but they're takers for a reason, and those reasons make me not particularly interested in living there.

My only objection is when taker states/regions/counties try to gain inequitable electoral advantages over their giver counterparts. And yes, I'm aware that's enormous part of the GOP's agenda over the last 40 years, which is one of the main reasons I find that party so contemptible.
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I understand why they went with the electoral college system but it does need to be changed and there's not a realistic mechanism for making it happen in today's political climate. It needs to get 3/4 of the state legislatures and no state is going to realistically vote for less representation. So you need to get 38 States to vote for a different way to allocate representation, that would indeed favor them, but for most of them, would not favor their political party. Very frustrating.

"Rotten boroughs," which was the extreme misallocation of representation in Parliament, was indirectly one of the issues that led to the American revolution.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think you also run into a problem with these types of metrics when you have a mobile population. It's not uncommon for people to earn their money in places like New York and Massachusetts and then retire in Florida.
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That's irrelevant when you're comparing economies. Saying that Arizona doesn't pay as much in tax as it gets in benefits isn't a moral indictment of the state, let alone its people. It just makes clear where the country's wealth is produced. Which also isn't morally superior, for a number of reasons.

Understanding the geographic redistribution of wealth in the country is primarily useful for swatting down the bullshit from the right about how California and New York are so terribly governed. Literally those states subsidize the moronic critiques of them from GOPers in states that are barely first world.
 


Not an official Trump sure but notable for the churn among MAGA for someone to punish …
 
nycfan said:


Not an official Trump sure but notable for the churn among MAGA for someone to punish …
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What criminal statute prohibits someone from covering up the mental challenges of their president husband? Does the criminal law impose a duty to disclose? Unless she was the one signing the orders, it is hard to see any criminal law that applies. That said, perhaps there is one that could be stretched to apply to her.

In all honesty, if there were going to be a political prosecution of the Biden admin, Jill would be No. 1 on my dislike list. She probably did more to help Trump than any other single person.
 
Ramrouser said:
It was the policy of the last Administration for 3 years. Only in an election year did they start to clamp down on the border. So my point is the Democrats caused this by sending a signal to the world to "come on in" the water is warm and then purposefully allowed the border to be open. I'm sure you watched the 2016 and 2020 Democratic primaries where the candidates were competing to show how much they supported illegal immigration.
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Ramrouser said:
Wow, that is absolutely the WORST take I’ve ever read about MAGA. I can laugh at the more extreme of MAGA and their devotion to Trump but your description of angry, bitter isolated folks is way off the mark. Most liberal writers who get out of their beltway bubble regularly report just how surprised they are to learn how nice and joyful the MAGA attendees are.
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Calheel said:
What criminal statute prohibits someone from covering up the mental challenges of their president husband? Does the criminal law impose a duty to disclose? Unless she was the one signing the orders, it is hard to see any criminal law that applies. That said, perhaps there is one that could be stretched to apply to her.

In all honesty, if there were going to be a political prosecution of the Biden admin, Jill would be No. 1 on my dislike list. She probably did more to help Trump than any other single person.
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Sure. Right after we arrest and prosecute Melania Trump for knowingly being First Lady to the worst embarrassment for a president in US history.
 
Calheel said:
What criminal statute prohibits someone from covering up the mental challenges of their president husband? Does the criminal law impose a duty to disclose? Unless she was the one signing the orders, it is hard to see any criminal law that applies. That said, perhaps there is one that could be stretched to apply to her.
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It's silly although it doesn't absolve her from moral blame bordering on elder abuse. What's not silly is that the autopen "signed" 2,490 commutations on one day, January 17, 2025.
Calheel said:
In all honesty, if there were going to be a political prosecution of the Biden admin, Jill would be No. 1 on my dislike list. She probably did more to help Trump than any other single person.
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Bing. Dr. Jill as well as Letitia James.
 
Ramrouser said:
It's silly although it doesn't absolve her from moral blame bordering on elder abuse. What's not silly is that the autopen "signed" 2,490 commutations on one day, January 17, 2025.


Bing. Dr. Jill as well as Letitia James.
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Letitia James was a civil case. Trump didn’t climb in the polls until the later filed criminal case by Alvin Bragg.

Unless you just don’t like black women, you should be crediting Bragg, not James.
 
But James symbolized lawfare by her open and vocal promises to "get Trump" during her election campaign and by her sitting in the courtroom each day to glare at Trump. Bragg was more low key and more reluctant to bring criminal charges against Trump. Plus, she got things started with the civil case followed by the coordinated indictments and raids in 2023 which consolidated and hardened Trump's support. Until lawfare, Republicans were drifting towards DeSantis.

I could go with either Bragg, James or Willis for the 2nd person, other than Dr. Jill, who did more to re elect Trump.
 
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