Joe Biden Was NOT running the country

[Zoo_View]

David French is a liberal?

 

[McAdooSmackinYou]

Most liberal writers who get out of their beltway bubble regularly report just how surprised they are to learn how nice and joyful the MAGA attendees are.

b/c they're probably shooting a dog or sexually assaulting or bullying someone at that moment

 

[Calheel]

So, with a population around 10 million, that means that the average tax payer in the state of Georgia pays $21 per year for health care provided to illegal aliens.

But that is my point above. It is way, way more than that because immigrants disproportionately use the emergency room for all medical needs because the ER doesn't turn anyone away due to lack of insurance (or usually does not). This cost is than passed on to all Georgians. The like per capita cost is closer to $100 per Georgian, not $21.

 

[sringwal]

But that is my point above. It is way, way more than that because immigrants disproportionately use the emergency room for all medical needs because the ER doesn't turn anyone away due to lack of insurance (or usually does not). This cost is than passed on to all Georgians. The like per capita cost is closer to $100 per Georgian, not $21.

Right, but I would posit that the benefit of migrant labor, for each individual in Georgia, is much higher than people realize and that the economic gains outpace the cost, significantly.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

The jobs these hard working folks do are the ones NO white redneck will do. The large majority of lazy, sit on their arse, sucking on the gubment teet, waiting for that check in the mail are WHITE rednecks who vote against their own best interests time and again in State, local and Federal elections over and over.

I fully agree with what you wrote about immigrants, but what caught my eye was this section. Having grown up in deep-red rural NC surrounded almost entirely by working-class, blue-collar rednecks back in the 70s and 80s, based on my experience what you wrote is the absolute truth. If I got a quarter for every time I heard a person complain about no-good blacks or other minorities living off the government teat, while I knew they had family members who were lazy as hell and lived on food stamps and medicaid and other government programs, I'd be a wealthy person today.

I did know some good, hard-working people there as well, but there were plenty of people living up in the foothills who had no ambition or drive, no desire to get ahead in anything, and were perfectly content to live as they did off handouts from family members and government assistance. I was always amused when I went to a garage with my dad, and you'd nearly always see only one or two guys actually working on cars while the rest just stood around and spit tobacco juice from their Red Man or Chattanooga Chew and didn't do a damn thing from what I could tell. And sometimes you could overhear the guys actually working mention it under their breath in a disgusted kind of way. If many of the people complaining about illegal immigrants were actually willing to get off their butts and do the types of work that many immigrants do then there likely wouldn't be so many immigrants in the country now for them to complain about. But they simply won't do that kind of work, and so here we are. The real, ugly truth is that they actually want immigrants - legal or not - here to do the work they won't do but which has to be done, they just don't want them have any rights or to be visible where they live. And that goes for legal immigrants too.

 

[donbosco]

Don’t forget the tacos - folks want tacos pretty badly.

 

[wmheel1287]

State - funded uncompensated outlays for health care provided to Georgia illegal aliens is estimated to be 210 million. I have no doubt that Georgia residents pay more for medical insurance due to illegals visiting emergency rooms but I suspect Georgia insurance premiums are less than California.

Health Insurance Costs by State - Latest Data Analysis | Self.inc

This analysis of health insurance costs by state in the U.S. looks at which states have the most expensive health insurance costs, and how premiums have changed over time.

www.self.inc

$432 California
$413 Georgia

 

[donbosco]

Don’t forget the tacos - folks want tacos pretty badly.

Seriously. Take a place like Siler City in the Piedmont or Weaverville in Western NC...there's probably an "evolved" fish camp and a barbecue joint and a couple of grills then everything else is recent immigrant food and the Mexican restaurants are packed with people who vote to destroy the lives of most of the people running those places. .

 

[lawtig02]

Wow, that is absolutely the WORST take I’ve ever read about MAGA. I can laugh at the more extreme of MAGA and their devotion to Trump but your description of angry, bitter isolated folks is way off the mark. Most liberal writers who get out of their beltway bubble regularly report just how surprised they are to learn how nice and joyful the MAGA attendees are.

Shocking that MAGAs are happy within their ultra conservative cocoons.

It’s also interesting that conservative writers prattle on about the hellscapes of urban America without getting within 100 miles of a blue county. Why do you think liberal writers are charitable to MAGAs, while conservative writers lie incessantly about liberals?

 

[donbosco]

Great. Point your students to the September 19, 2024 New York Times article by David French “What Liberals Miss About the MAGA Movement” where he opines that “one thing that liberals tend to miss about the MAGA movement is its underlying sense of community and its joy.” Lots of similar articles as well if you look for them.

"What Liberals Miss About the MAGA Movement
David French explores what keeps Trump’s followers hooked.

Sept. 19, 2024

David French, a Times Opinion columnist, believes that to understand MAGA, we have to understand the joy and sense of belonging that the movement bestows upon its adherents. In this episode, he explains why Donald Trump’s most outrageous statements — such as the lie that Haitian immigrants are eating pets — appeal to his followers’ “sense of gleeful transgression.”

David French: I live in a town called Franklin, Tenn., that is south of Nashville, and it’s a very red part of America. Most of my friends, a vast majority of my family, are all Trump supporters and have been Trump supporters from the beginning.

I first started writing about the MAGA movement in late 2015. Like a lot of people, I didn’t initially take Trump seriously, but very quickly, I realized this was very serious and he was absolutely resonating. And so, I began talking to friends, to relatives. Why? What is it about Donald Trump that appeals to you so much? And that conversation has never really stopped for nine years.

If you’re on the outside, your experience with MAGA is all of the anger projected outward. So you see MAGA as almost entirely an angry movement.

MAGA likes inflicting pain on its political enemies. It likes and enjoys creating these ridiculous and absurd memes. It loves to provoke people who are on the outside. It’s part of the joy of this MAGA movement that can include this extreme aggression online.

One of the reasons this has all been on my mind is that an online rumor, an online lie, actually, that Haitian immigrants in Springfield were eating dogs and cats made it all the way to Donald Trump, and Donald Trump stated it very blatantly and explicitly in his presidential debate with Kamala Harris.

Audio clip of Donald Trump: In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs, the people that came in, they’re eating the cats, they’re eating, they’re eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what’s happening in our country. And it’s a shame.
French: That took this issue and put it front and center with the American people, creating an immense amount of anger, and sadly, on the ground in Springfield, Ohio, it created real danger for the legal Haitian immigrants who are there, as they began to receive threats, acts of intimidation. And this is particularly toxic because absolutely nothing fires up his base like immigration.

I knew that MAGA was going to take this torch and carry it as far as it possibly could. And they did it in that particular way that MAGA interacts with the larger world, with this sense of gleeful transgression. They have fun being outrageous. They have fun being provocative. They like to “trigger the libs.” What MAGA is very good at doing is turning around back to its own people and saying, “See, we struck a nerve.” They’ll use words like, “If you’re taking flack, it means you’re over the target.” And so they use the backlash almost as proof that they’ve hit a nerve and all of this just creates an endless process of doubling down.

And one thing that I think that liberals tend to miss about the MAGA movement is they miss its underlying sense of community and its joy. So there is a strong sense of belonging within MAGA and they have a great time being MAGA. If you’re on the outside, you see MAGA as almost entirely an angry movement. And so this idea that it’s also a lot of fun and fellowship, that is something you don’t see at all. But if you’re on the inside of it, is one of its most dominant characteristics."

More at this link (also audio): https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/19/opinion/liberals-trump-maga.html

 

[donbosco]

Great. Point your students to the September 19, 2024 New York Times article by David French “What Liberals Miss About the MAGA Movement” where he opines that “one thing that liberals tend to miss about the MAGA movement is its underlying sense of community and its joy.” Lots of similar articles as well if you look for them.

Thanks...posted an excerpt and a link right above.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Thanks...posted an excerpt and a link right above.

Thanks for posting the excerpt and I read the article. Having said that, I don't agree with all of what French said. I also have lots of MAGA relatives and my hometown is filled with proud Trumpers who have been consistently flying Trump flags since 2016, even when he wasn't president. And while I don't doubt that there is some "gleeful joy" and a tribal sense of community in their attacks on libs, the anger and resentment most of these people have is also very real and very visible and vocal. They don't just attack liberals or others because they're joyful or gleeful or it gives them a sense of belonging, there is real anger and hatred mixed in as well, and some fear at what "their" country has transformed itself into over the past forty or so years. I still think the basic underlying motivation for Trumpers is anger and social and class resentments and fear, and not being happy or gleeful at just owning the libs. It's the anger and resentment that gets them out of bed in the mornings, not joy or glee.

 

[Bobfripp]

When did I say anything about the President's plan? I don't even know what plan you're referring to.

Holy shit...again, the obsession is real.

Do the south Africans have credible fear? If so, then do we know who they are and can vett them?

This article might help explain ...

Are white South Africans really refugees? A historian who grew up under apartheid explains.

Trump’s new resettlement program ignores the history of apartheid.

www.vox.com

"white people remain a privileged class"

 

[Ramrouser]

Your numbers don't add up. Biden used the same Title 42 that your god trump did.

The Biden administration began using Title 42, a public health provision to expedite the expulsion of migrants at the border, in March 2020. The DC Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in March 2022 that the administration could continue to use Title 42, but only for removals to countries where migrants wouldn't face persecution or torture. The Biden administration ended the order authorizing Title 42 on May 11, 2023, when the official national emergency on COVID-19 was lifted.

No one supported illegal immigration, they supported actual policy and treating immigrants like people, both of which this administration doesn't do.

Trump didn't do shit his first term, there just happened to be a pandemic that made the numbers fall.

He hasn't done shit in this term as far as policy, just show for the subhuman cult membersS to jack off to when they watch fox news.

US doesn’t agree with you so keep believing this.

 

[Ramrouser]

Probably not true since you got that from fox news, but even if it is, who cares? California has a greater GDP than most countries.

Maybe if our federal government actually made some policy then California wouldn't have to spend as much.

But, no policy trump isn't going to come up with anything other than a show.

It’s true. California going broke due to Newsome’s decision to give Medicaid benefits to illegals.

 

[Ramrouser]

Thanks for posting the excerpt and I read the article. Having said that, I don't agree with all of what French said. I also have lots of MAGA relatives and my hometown is filled with proud Trumpers who have been consistently flying Trump flags since 2016, even when he wasn't president. And while I don't doubt that there is some "gleeful joy" and a tribal sense of community in their attacks on libs, the anger and resentment most of these people have is also very real and very visibl

NWow, it's amazing how inhuman you come across as. So gleeful in the suffering of others. You are almost as bad as Silence...

Oh what will you do if there are no more. ambulances to chase. A

Wow, it's amazing how inhuman you come across as. So gleeful in the suffering of others. You are almost as bad as Silence...

Oh what will you do

Wow, it's amazing how inhuman you come across as. So gleeful in the suffering of others. You are almost as bad as Silence...

Oh what will you do if there are no more ambulances to chase.

underlying motivation for Trumpers is anger and social and class resentments and fear, and nobeing happy or gleeful at just owning the libs. It's the anger and resentment that gets them out of bed in the mornings, not joy or gl

I don’t do pi work so no ambulances to chase.

 

[donbosco]

California going broke.

Isn't the U.S. going broke even faster?

Are undocumented people responsible for the preponderance of the debt?

 

[wmheel1287]

It’s true. California going broke due to Newsome’s decision to give Medicaid benefits to illegals.

California is going broke?

Here's what I find when asking about California's economy....

Yes, California's economy is experiencing significant growth, surpassing even the world's top three economies. California's GDP has grown at a 6% rate in 2024, which is faster than the U.S. (5.3%), China (2.6%), and Germany (2.9%). This growth has propelled California to become the fourth-largest economy globally, surpassing Japan

 

[farce©]

It was the policy of the last Administration for 3 years. Only in an election year did they start to clamp down on the border. So my point is the Democrats caused this by sending a signal to the world to "come on in" the water is warm and then purposefully allowed the border to be open. I'm sure you watched the 2016 and 2020 Democratic primaries where the candidates were competing to show how much they supported illegal immigration.

Bullshit

 

[hedge]

State - funded uncompensated outlays for health care provided to Georgia illegal aliens is estimated to be 210 million. I have no doubt that Georgia residents pay more for medical insurance due to illegals visiting emergency rooms

How much do you suspect Georgia residents save due to "illegals" providing the labor for goods and services that Georgia residents consume daily?