Joe Biden Was NOT running the country

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gtyellowjacket said:
I can't speak for anybody else but for me I see a big difference between saying that almost anyone that voted for Trump is either a hardcore or softcore racist, and that MAGA is a racist based movement.

And I think it matters because if over half the white people in the country are hardcore MAGA racists that only care about keeping brown people down and out, Democrats need to run a very different campaign than if 10% of Republicans are racist and the rest care about things like abortion or not being able to get a good job or whatever else is most important to them.

Maybe I run in different circles, but about half of the people I interact with daily are probably Republicans and I have my doubts that making sure a minority is not President or that black people can't be their boss is anywhere on their lists of issues they vote on.
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As I posted earlier, I think that about 1/3 of the Trump base are hard bigots, not 1/3 of the country. Let's call them George Wallace voters.

2/3 of Trump supporters are soft bigots( not 2/3 of the country ) meaning that their support for Trump is not driven by his policies that attack people of color and other minority groups, but they tacitly give a nod to the spirit of his cruelty and then vote for the Trump policies that they think will fatten their wallets.
 
Ramrouser said:
I feel like I’ve repeatedly explained my support for Trump:

I like our borders closed
I love DOGE
I hate DEI/woke government and military
I love tax cuts
I like good trade deals
I like Middle East peace, and
Peace in Ukraine
I like law and order
I hate Hamas “protestors”
I like all inclusive energy policy and falling gas prices
I like Scott Bessent and the rest of the Cabinet.
I love his judicial appointments

Do I need to go on?

But mostly I like a cogent and energetic Commander in Chief who gets things done.
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so based on your last line, you don't support Trump ?
 
Ramrouser said:
I feel like I’ve repeatedly explained my support for Trump:

I like our borders closed
I love DOGE
I hate DEI/woke government and military
I love tax cuts
I like good trade deals
I like Middle East peace, and
Peace in Ukraine
I like law and order
I hate Hamas “protestors”
I like all inclusive energy policy and falling gas prices
I like Scott Bessent and the rest of the Cabinet.
I love his judicial appointments

Do I need to go on?

But mostly I like a cogent and energetic Commander in Chief who gets things done.
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And you're getting none of that, must make you feel special.

You like law and order, yet you vote for an administration that wants to ignore due process and do away with habeas corpus.

A commander in chief who isn't getting anything done but a show for those who worship him. This administration has passed less legislation than any since before Reagan in the first 100 days. Why? Because he thinks he's a dictator and can rule with his pen.

Should I go on...

I will.

He hasn't brought peace to Ukraine, there still fighting.

Inclusive energy policy? You mean going back to coal and stopping modern progress into alternatives? Yea, really Inclusive.

Nothing you claim to support, other than the loosers on his cabinets, is actually happening.
 
Ramrouser said:
I feel like I’ve repeatedly explained my support for Trump:

I like our borders closed
I love DOGE
I hate DEI/woke government and military
I love tax cuts
I like good trade deals
I like Middle East peace, and
Peace in Ukraine
I like law and order
I hate Hamas “protestors”
I like all inclusive energy policy and falling gas prices
I like Scott Bessent and the rest of the Cabinet.
I love his judicial appointments

Do I need to go on?

But mostly I like a cogent and energetic Commander in Chief who gets things done.
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Wanting the borders "Closed" shows a high level of ignorance and how our country needs immigrants. But I understand since your reality TV messiah doesn't understand policy and has no immigration policy, guess you couldn't support that. Fox would pull your trump card.
 
heelinhell said:
As I posted earlier, I think that about 1/3 of the Trump base are hard bigots, not 1/3 of the country. Let's call them George Wallace voters.

2/3 of Trump supporters are soft bigots( not 2/3 of the country ) meaning that their support for Trump is not driven by his policies that attack people of color and other minority groups, but they tacitly give a nod to the spirit of his cruelty and then vote for the Trump policies that they think will fatten their wallets.
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I think the numbers are way different based on nothing more than a gut feel. I think the one third number or maybe even less might include these hardcore or softcore racists and 2/3's are people that care about other things.

And some of that is going to be how you define it. Do the people that want more secure borders care more about immigrants coming in because they're Hispanic or because they can't get a job or because they worry about terrorists or criminals mixing in? Who knows. Maybe they don't even know.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think the numbers are way different based on nothing more than a gut feel. I think the one third number or maybe even less might include these hardcore or softcore racists and 2/3's are people that care about other things.

And some of that is going to be how you define it. Do the people that want more secure borders care more about immigrants coming in because they're Hispanic or because they can't get a job or because they worry about terrorists or criminals mixing in? Who knows. Maybe they don't even know.
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Self-Awareness is tough. Takes effort.
 
UNCatTech said:
Exactly, no one is using cogent to describe that moron.
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Anyone who refers to Trump as cogent needs to have their own head examined, period. He hasn't been cogent in any of his presidential campaigns, and in all of his presidential debates - including the one with Biden - he's done little but ramble and mumble cliches and sound incoherent himself. The number of Trumpers who continue to believe in and place blind faith in a man and leader who doesn't actually exist continues to be impressive. The Donald Trump that many Trump posters here keep defending is a fiction of their imagination. The real Donald Trump is an ignorant, idiotic, slob who has failed in multiple businesses, lies about everything at the drop of a hat, surrounds himself with incompetent and corrupt brown-nosers and sycophants whose main job is to tell him how great he is, and has no empathy or concern for anyone except himself.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
In fairness there were so many (even after the debate) that said Biden should not and would not step aside. So many Democrats and media lost all credibility because it’s one thing to say a guy trying to do this and that behind the scenes. Democrats and media were legitimately claiming something that anyone with two eyes knew was a lie.
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Bullshit
 
Ramrouser said:
I feel like I’ve repeatedly explained my support for Trump:

I like our borders closed
I love DOGE
I hate DEI/woke government and military
I love tax cuts
I like good trade deals
I like Middle East peace, and
Peace in Ukraine
I like law and order
I hate Hamas “protestors”
I like all inclusive energy policy and falling gas prices
I like Scott Bessent and the rest of the Cabinet.
I love his judicial appointments

Do I need to go on?

But mostly I like a cogent and energetic Commander in Chief who gets things done.
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All that translates to “I’m a piece of shit.”
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
In fairness there were so many (even after the debate) that said Biden should not and would not step aside. So many Democrats and media lost all credibility because it’s one thing to say a guy trying to do this and that behind the scenes. Democrats and media were legitimately claiming something that anyone with two eyes knew was a lie.
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Two things....

1. Biden was being protected by those around him so, to whatever degree the media was defending him, the media was likely lied to by those around Biden to keep the facade in place.

2. The above being likely true, it doesn't excuse the fact that the media rarely acknowledged his decline, but went full denial by claiming things like "he's better than ever and sharp as a tack", etc.

That's what the fear of Benito Cheeto will do to you, I guess.
 
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ZenMode said:
Two things....

1. Biden was being protected by those around him so, to whatever degree the media was defending him, the media was likely lied to by those around Biden to keep the facade in place.

2. The above being likely true, it doesn't excuse the fact that the media rarely acknowledged his decline, but well full denial by claiming things like "he's better than ever and sharp as a tack", etc.

That's what the fear of Benito Cheeto will do to you, I guess.
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This is spot on. Folks didn’t want Trump winning for good reason. Therefore, they threw out lies in order to “help” prevent Trump from winning. The opposite happened. If media was more intense and scrutinized more, Biden would have been out earlier and the primary process could have chosen someone to beat the loon we have now.
 
Ramrouser said:
I feel like I’ve repeatedly explained my support for Trump:

I like our borders closed
I love DOGE
I hate DEI/woke government and military
I love tax cuts
I like good trade deals
I like Middle East peace, and
Peace in Ukraine
I like law and order
I hate Hamas “protestors”
I like all inclusive energy policy and falling gas prices
I like Scott Bessent and the rest of the Cabinet.
I love his judicial appointments

Do I need to go on?
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Don't go on. Most of those are reasons to hate Trump, since he has delivered none of them. There will be no good trade deals. There is no peace in the ME nor in Ukraine. Law and order is just a sick joke given that Trump is the most lawless and chaotic president in our history and it's not even close. Of course, your boss is kinda on the other side of that but anyway.

Trump does not have an all-inclusive energy policy. He's trying to kill solar and wind and any non-fossil fuel energy source. Gas prices have not fallen because of anything Trump has done. Well, that's not quite true: there's definitely a glut of fuel out there given that nobody is coming to visit America any more. Not sure what that does to prices.

The Cabinet is a joke and even you can see that. OMG. He doesn't even have a full cabinet. He's given Rubio four jobs, which is fine because he's not supposed to do any of them.

You hate a DEI military? Fine. But you know what's even better than DEI-free? A military that can actually keep secrets. Literally adversaries have worms inside our national security systems because Hegseth can't keep his dick in his pants.

I'm sure you hate protesters. I'm guessing your pappy was manning a fire hose in the 1960s and you would do the same if you had the chance.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Correct. Overthinking a situation and coming to incorrect conclusions is bad.
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You have a very different understanding of overthinking than I do.

I often "overthink" and never has it caused me to come to incorrect conclusions. Never. There's no such thing as overthinking in that context. There's only good thinking and bad thinking.

Overthinking is about inaction, not incorrectness. Overthinking can cause timidity, or reluctance to act. It does not lead to incorrect conclusions. At worst it would have no effect either way.
 
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