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To be fair, Trump can't even find Honduras on a map.

The JOH pardon is a travesty...even the Hondurasn hate him.
You’re probably right about that but I have no doubt the Project 2025 crew has plans for everyone including the re-colonization of Latin America.

I’m sure you’re aware of the Prospera development on Roatan as well as its “free sovereign” venue at the mainland. This freedumb program was created by the then-rightist military-aligned government after the coup and at the powerful urging by US- and other foreign-led libertarians. Once the leftist government took over they tried to undo the give-aways. With a new rightist government they’ll be aligned with the trumpist regime to achieve their aims over the strenuous objections of the local population.

There’s a big play throughout Central and South America (see:Milei) for control of capital and economies. Everything old is new again.
 



 
Hard to believe that Asfura isn't also a crook. Perhaps an unlucky one but one just the same.

But then I tend to see a great deal of crookedness in the worldview of modern Rightists overall.

This may sound jaded...but I have come to the conclusion that most of the political class everywhere is crooked in some way. Difference is that in the first world they have found elegant ways to camouflage influence peddling through lobbyists and stock tips.

So is Asfura a crook? Probably. In his political past, he was a mayor of Tegucigalpa and in charge of large infrastructure projects...no way he cam unscathed through that.

But he's not on the level of JOH who was engaged in major drug trafficking.
 
The message that you get on Arevalo is that he's part of a Cuba/Venezuela axis?

That was how he was perceived as a candidate. But all candidates on the left are painted that way...seeing it here in the CR election cycle.

Think he has been walking a very delicate tightrope. On some issues he has worked closely with the US and he has avoided--as far as I can tell--criticizing US policy or Trump (as opposed to say Sheinbaum or Crespo). He has some tough sledding ahead: just like Honduras, Guatemala has serious issues they need to tackle.
 
Well, clearly you are far, far from alone in that evaluation. I knew some politicians growing up through family and to this day trust my father's judgment and he found those folks to be upright. Perhaps none exist of that stripe any longer. I don't tend to believe that though.

I'm a partisan and don't try to hide it and probably the most salient reason I believe what I believe is related to values, one of which is honesty. I know that I don't see values in play with modern conservatism, certainly not with trumpism, with which I have any connection (thankfully). I can't find any positive comparison between the likes, just for example, of Roy Cooper or Jeff Jackson, and Mark Robinson and Virginia Foxx, just to name four.
 
That was how he was perceived as a candidate. But all candidates on the left are painted that way...seeing it here in the CR election cycle.

Think he has been walking a very delicate tightrope. On some issues he has worked closely with the US and he has avoided--as far as I can tell--criticizing US policy or Trump (as opposed to say Sheinbaum or Crespo). He has some tough sledding ahead: just like Honduras, Guatemala has serious issues they need to tackle.

If he can outlast his Attorney General Consuelo Porras (A Crook Among Crooks of the Guatemalan Right) he might get some things done...as is, simply stemming the tide of corruption rather than surrendering to it in frustration would be a major achievement.
 
I have nothing meaningful to say on the topic at hand and appreciate those who do. My only contribution is to say “Tegucigalpa” is one of if not the most fun city names to say.
 
“My profound gratitude goes to President (Trump) for having the courage to defend justice at a moment when a weaponized system refused to acknowledge the truth,” Hernández wrote on X Wednesday.

President of Honduras from 2014 until 2022, Hernández was convicted and sentenced last year to 45 years in prison and given an $8 million fine by a US judge for drug trafficking offenses. Hernández insisted he was innocent, claiming his trial was “rigged” and that it relied on the accusations of criminals who sought revenge against him.

Both Republican and Democratic members of Congress have criticized Trump’s decision to pardon someone with a drug trafficking conviction when his administration has been so focused on disrupting drug trafficking in Latin America, ramping up military activity and launching controversial strikes on alleged drug boats in the Caribbean."

 
From James Boswell on the Elections in Honduras: Latin America Risk Report | Boz | Substack

With most of the votes in Honduras counted, National Party candidate Nasry Asfura has a slim lead over Liberal Party candidate Salvador Nasralla, 40.5% to 39.2% at the time of this writing, about a 42,000 vote difference.

Honduras electoral authorities have struggled with the vote count and the technology, and have failed to communicate well with the public and the key political parties. There have been long pauses with no results. Over 15% of the tally sheets have discrepancies that must be reviewed. Due to the issues, trust in the process has collapsed. Few citizens believe what is going on reflects their choices. Most politicians suspect that their political opponents are engaged in some sort of scheme to manipulate the outcome and/or are scheming themselves to come out on top of what they view as a non-transparent process.

Even as the close count continues and disputes remain, the Trump administration has warned that any change in the outcome away from Asfura will be declared a stolen election.

Rixi Moncada and the ruling Libre Party, which received fewer than 20% of the vote, have called for a full redo of the election. Is that legal or constitutional? Probably not. But Honduras is sometimes a country where elections take place in a Calvinball and power politics environment. Everyone makes up the rules as they go along, and the big question is who enforces the outcome.

Salvador Nasralla has rejected the call to redo the election, but is calling for the vote count to be carefully reviewed for as long as necessary to demonstrate how Asfura stole votes from him.

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Scenarios​

Most likely: President Asfura - Election challenges rarely succeed. The person who is winning the election after the initial vote count usually wins in the end. Asfura will face a fight in the transition and will struggle throughout his term due to the perception that his win was not fully legitimate.

Second possible option: President Nasralla - The less likely outcome is that a combination of recounts and backroom negotiations lead to Nasralla taking the presidency. Getting to this result is all about a post-election pact. He can’t do this on his own and would likely need an alliance with either Asfura or Moncada to pull it off. He would have to offer concessions to that person/party to make it through the transition.

Least likely but plausible: Libre remains in power - Maduro lost an election in Venezuela in 2024 and remained in the presidency. So did Juan Orlando Hernandez in Honduras in 2017. Libre can try to hold on to power, and the threat that they might succeed at that gives them leverage in negotiations over this election result, even while winning fewer than 20% of the vote.

Things to watch

How does the military respond? - As I wrote before the election, the military is a key actor in the campaign and vote counting process. They will be critical to tipping the balance to any of the three scenarios above.

The Tegucigalpa mayoral race - That mayoral election is even closer than the presidential results, with the candidates for the National and Libre parties separated by an extremely tight margin. There will be disputes and recounts in that race, but it will also be a bargaining chip. It’s possible to imagine scenarios where in a backroom and undisclosed agreement, Asfura offers the position to Libre in exchange for a smooth transition or Nasralla guarantees the position to the National Party as part of getting past the election controversy.

International observers - They’ve been critical of the process so far, but are almost certain to reject calls to redo the election. Observers are great for saying when election processes have been clean, but struggle in contested scenarios like this. Still, their comments will shape the outcome and the perceived legitimacy of the next president.

Trump - On top of sanctions, don’t forget that there is an aircraft carrier not far from the coast of Honduras. The US president may be eager to show off his new Trump Corollary here, particularly with the China-Taiwan dispute up for grabs in this election.

Protests - All three parties can put people in the streets. Libre is calling for demonstrations this weekend, and while their actual support appears diminished, a big and disruptive public rally would put further doubt on the results that show they have only 20% support. One difference between today and 2017 is that the security forces appear to remain on the side of Libre for now, playing a decisive role in how they will repress the opposition while Castro-Zelaya remain in power.
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Current President had a press conference yesterday saying she basically doesn't accept the results. Things might get real sticky.




Trump (and Obama and Hillary Clinton before that) facilitated this in so many ways but ultimately there also appear to be plenty of homegrown Honduran shenanigans.
 
And this



National Congress of #Honduras gives a lesson in dignity to #Argentina and other LATAM countries and declares that the #EleccionesHonduras2025 were a fraud organized by criminal networks linked to drug trafficking supported by Donald Trump and that it will not validate them.


Honduran National Congress Alleges Ongoing Electoral Fraud Amidst Major Irregularities


I have my doubts about how much actual power this group has in this matter. Ultimately, the military will be the final arbiters I suspect.
 
Bukele is not my cup of tea. Think his change to the re-election rules in ES will do more damage in the long run and is a big step backwards for democracy in the region.

Having said all that, he is enormously popular in ES at pretty much all levels of society (those that are least enthused are probably in the top 10%). His heavy handed methods have worked at rolling back crime...their homicide rate went from the 53 per 100k to less than 5 (their official number is 1.9 but I have doubts about that). And even that number in the mid 50s was an improvement off the worse times when it was close to 100 per 100K. This is something I really wrestle with; its very easy for me to sit in my comfy home in CR and be critical of Bukele's tactics, but I've come to accept that they needed to do something radical to tackle the drug gangs. Conditions in those jails are very spartan and there seems to be evidence that about 5% of the inmates are probably innocent: many get caught up in massive raids with little or no due process. The reduction of crime is staggering and not just in homicides.

So I think Bukele took the right actions on that issue. Don't get why he hasn't lifted the state of exception if everything is so much better. Plenty of other things I disagree with him (he has a nasty knack of being extra vicious with his detractors). Plus they are spending money like crazy, creating deficits into the future.

Bukele is the sharpest politician in Central America right now (maybe in all of Latin America). He is a master of propaganda. That's the angle for him for receiving the CR president.For the longest time his goal is to reset the expectation about ES; hewants his country to be compared to CR and Panama, instead of Guatemala and Honduras. The CR president's term is about to end but his candidate is leading in the polls; he wants to leverage the ES experience in reducing crime (currently a hot issue here).
 
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