Many Americans Say the Democratic Party Does Not Share Their Priorities

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superrific said:
OK, what should the party do? Dem governors in Dem states are actively resisting Trump. Dem lawyers are filing lawsuits everywhere. The Dem party has sued over Trump's monarchical approach vis-a-vis the FEC.

I keep wondering what is it that people want to see?
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Maybe not hold silly press conferences where they shout "we're going to win, we're going to win?" Maybe not hold up silly paddles with slogans but get up and silently walk out on Trump as a group when he insulted them and went after Biden? How many Congressional Democrats have you seen do more than stay relatively silent during all of this? With few exceptions the reaction from Congressional Democrats has been quite muted since Trump took office. If Trump is truly an existential threat to the country, why have Congressional Democrats - again with a few exceptions - been relatively quiet? For a great many Democrats it's not a good look, no matter how it is justified.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Maybe not hold silly press conferences where they shout "we're going to win, we're going to win?" Maybe not hold up silly paddles with slogans but get up and silently walk out on Trump as a group when he insulted them and went after Biden? How many Congressional Democrats have you seen do more than stay relatively silent during all of this? With few exceptions the reaction from Congressional Democrats has been quite muted since Trump took office. If Trump is truly an existential threat to the country, why have Congressional Democrats - again with a few exceptions - been relatively quiet?
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What difference would shouting at the top of their lungs make?

We lost the election. Both houses and the presidency. That means it's their game now.

I grow weary of the general attitude among liberals that "the Dem party just sucks." How does that help at all?

The people running the show are smart. They have lots of information at their disposal. My inclination is to trust their judgment absent some obvious flaw in what they are doing, and I just don't see that because I don't see the alternative more than they are doing.

They are apparently demanding a separation of powers provision in the CR in order to sign on. I don't know exactly what that looks like or what it would entail, but let's assume it would be enforceable and have teeth. Isn't that exactly what the Dems should be doing?
 
superrific said:
What difference would shouting at the top of their lungs make?

We lost the election. Both houses and the presidency. That means it's their game now.

I grow weary of the general attitude among liberals that "the Dem party just sucks." How does that help at all?

The people running the show are smart. They have lots of information at their disposal. My inclination is to trust their judgment absent some obvious flaw in what they are doing, and I just don't see that because I don't see the alternative more than they are doing.

They are apparently demanding a separation of powers provision in the CR in order to sign on. I don't know exactly what that looks like or what it would entail, but let's assume it would be enforceable and have teeth. Isn't that exactly what the Dems should be doing?
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Actually, yes, I think some shouting is exactly what Democrats should be doing right now. Sometimes symbolic resistance matters - it certainly seemed to matter in Trump's first term, and yet resistance this time has been far more muted, despite the fact that Trump's actions this time have been much worse and more sweeping than last time. And frankly I don't trust the judgment of the Congressional Democratic leadership - no doubt they're smart in some areas, but in public relations I'd have to strongly disagree. People are frustrated and in some ways rightly so.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Actually, yes, I think some shouting is exactly what Democrats should be doing right now. Sometimes symbolic resistance matters - it certainly seemed to matter in Trump's first term, and yet resistance this time has been far more muted, despite the fact that Trump's actions this time have been much worse and more sweeping than last time. And frankly I don't trust the judgment of the Congressional Democratic leadership - no doubt they're smart in some areas, but in public relations I'd have to strongly disagree. People are frustrated and in some ways rightly so.
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I will agree with you on one point here, and I've been thinking about starting a thread on it, so maybe I will. I do think Dems need to start using blunter messaging. Elissa Slotkin said that Dems and Pubs were offering two plans for change: one responsible and one reckless.

No. The problem with Trump is not that he's reckless. The problem is that he's a complete and utter disaster. Reckless may sound terrible to Slotkin, but I think Americans don't see it nearly so negatively. The Americans who think they want BIG CHANGE are not likely to see it as really negative at all.

One of the plans for change rebuilds and improves America; one of the plans is destroying America for the benefit of billionaires. Same message, better terminology I think.
 
ZenMode said:
"Unforgiveable: he attacked the integrity of the party's primary system....."

Along with Donna Brazile (sp) and Elizabeth Warren. Maybe there's some fire along with the smoke.

Brazile also expressed extreme regret for giving Hillary questions in advance of a Townhall. Maybe that regret is elevated because she knows something about the primary and alleged rigging.
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Are you a Democrat?
 
Paine said:

“A plurality of voters — 40 percent — said the Democratic Party doesn’t have any strategy whatsoever for responding to Trump, according to the survey by the liberal firm Blueprint that was shared first with POLITICO. Another 24 percent said Democrats have a game plan, but it’s a bad one.

A paltry 10 percent said that the party has a solid technique for dealing with Trump. And that’s coming from a Democratic outfit’s survey.“
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Well the silly signs during the State of the Union speech sort of leads one to believe that the 40% are correct.
 
ZenMode said:
No, I'm not a Democrat or Republican. I am registered as independent. I am liberal on some things and conservative on other things. Why?
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I am also non-affiliated, which is why I don’t comment on how the parties choose to select their nominees. If Democrats choose to use superdelegates, that’s their choice, it’s not “rigging” the process. If Republicans choose to award delegates on a winner-take-all basis rather than apportion them according to vote totals, that’s their choice. It’s their business, it’s not rigging.

I leave those processes to the parties to decide for themselves and don’t understand why people outside the parties feel compelled to tell them how they should do it. Bernie Sanders isn’t a Democrat and he has no standing to complain about how they choose their nomination process. If he wants to change it he should join the party and work from within to change it.
 
farce© said:
I am also non-affiliated, which is why I don’t comment on how the parties choose to select their nominees. If Democrats choose to use superdelegates, that’s their choice, it’s not “rigging” the process. If Republicans choose to award delegates on a winner-take-all basis rather than apportion them according to vote totals, that’s their choice. It’s their business, it’s not rigging.

I leave those processes to the parties to decide for themselves and don’t understand why people outside the parties feel compelled to tell them how they should do it. Bernie Sanders isn’t a Democrat and he has no standing to complain about how they choose their nomination process. If he wants to change it he should join the party and work from within to change it.
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I don't think I really gave my opinion on their process. I just relayed that two other people, besides Bernie Sanders, also called it rigging.
 
The Democrats need to get out and talk to their voters. Focus on normal issues and when they have crazed members call them out. They should treat their loons just like they treat their Republican counterpart loons. The Democrats have become a party obsessed with identity. They are not liberal. I’ve been a liberal my whole life. I want to live in a world where we judge individuals by their character and no one is treated differently because of how they look, where they come from, or who they love. The party is obsessed with checking boxes and wants to thread needles to land JUST RIGHT on every statement so as to not offend.
They are clueless when it comes to Trump voters. Clueless. Are some racist? Sure. Are some crazy? Sure. But the overwhelming majority of them like him because he says students shouldn’t be able to take over campuses and prevent students from learning, something Biden could never say. They like him because he says men shouldn’t be able to get in a pool and beat girls in swimming. Are they fringe issues? Of course. But Democrats are too stupid to understand politics.

Democrats should move on from focusing on Trump. Get a voice and leader first. Focus on the lower and middle class. If it sounds crazy, get away from it.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
The Democrats need to get out and talk to their voters. Focus on normal issues and when they have crazed members call them out. They should treat their loons just like they treat their Republican counterpart loons. The Democrats have become a party obsessed with identity. They are not liberal. I’ve been a liberal my whole life. I want to live in a world where we judge individuals by their character and no one is treated differently because of how they look, where they come from, or who they love. The party is obsessed with checking boxes and wants to thread needles to land JUST RIGHT on every statement so as to not offend.
They are clueless when it comes to Trump voters. Clueless. Are some racist? Sure. Are some crazy? Sure. But the overwhelming majority of them like him because he says students shouldn’t be able to take over campuses and prevent students from learning, something Biden could never say. They like him because he says men shouldn’t be able to get in a pool and beat girls in swimming. Are they fringe issues? Of course. But Democrats are too stupid to understand politics.

Democrats should move on from focusing on Trump. Get a voice and leader first. Focus on the lower and middle class. If it sounds crazy, get away from it.
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Some of your points i disagree with
Some I agree with
Get a voice and leader first. Focus on the lower and middle class. yea
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
The Democrats need to get out and talk to their voters. Focus on normal issues and when they have crazed members call them out. They should treat their loons just like they treat their Republican counterpart loons. The Democrats have become a party obsessed with identity. They are not liberal. I’ve been a liberal my whole life. I want to live in a world where we judge individuals by their character and no one is treated differently because of how they look, where they come from, or who they love. The party is obsessed with checking boxes and wants to thread needles to land JUST RIGHT on every statement so as to not offend.
They are clueless when it comes to Trump voters. Clueless. Are some racist? Sure. Are some crazy? Sure. But the overwhelming majority of them like him because he says students shouldn’t be able to take over campuses and prevent students from learning, something Biden could never say. They like him because he says men shouldn’t be able to get in a pool and beat girls in swimming. Are they fringe issues? Of course. But Democrats are too stupid to understand politics.

Democrats should move on from focusing on Trump. Get a voice and leader first. Focus on the lower and middle class. If it sounds crazy, get away from it.
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This is pretty awful for Democrats. It wasn’t long enough folks were saying they didn’t know of Republicans would ever win another election with the changing demographics. Now, young voters have moved right and the movement out of liberal states and into conservative states has changed the whole EC picture. Democrats need to find their voice asap.

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HintonJamesHeel said:
This is pretty awful for Democrats. It wasn’t long enough folks were saying they didn’t know of Republicans would ever win another election with the changing demographics. Now, young voters have moved right and the movement out of liberal states and into conservative states has changed the whole EC picture. Democrats need to find their voice asap.

www.cookpolitical.com

How the States Have Shifted: Statewide Cook PVI from 1997 to 2025

The seven-state Electoral College battleground of 2024 became such a cliche that it's hard to believe that states other than Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin ever mattered. But, you don’t need to go that far back in history to be reminded that it...
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"Democrats need to find their voice asap."

Finding their voice may very well be the cause of their current situation.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
This is pretty awful for Democrats. It wasn’t long enough folks were saying they didn’t know of Republicans would ever win another election with the changing demographics. Now, young voters have moved right and the movement out of liberal states and into conservative states has changed the whole EC picture. Democrats need to find their voice asap.

www.cookpolitical.com

How the States Have Shifted: Statewide Cook PVI from 1997 to 2025

The seven-state Electoral College battleground of 2024 became such a cliche that it's hard to believe that states other than Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin ever mattered. But, you don’t need to go that far back in history to be reminded that it...
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And in 2005 Karl Rove and company were boasting about a permanent Republican electoral majority.

Winners in politics always get giddy and over-estimate the durability of their coalition.

It doesn't really matter that much. If Trump craters the economy as it looks like he will, MAGA will be finished. All swing states will become blue, and the new swing states will be Iowa and Ohio and places like that. Except they won't be swing any more. It will take the Dems creating some sort of massive catastrophe to bring them back.
 
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