Many Americans Say the Democratic Party Does Not Share Their Priorities

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HintonJamesHeel said:
The latest RLS, fielded over seven months in 2023-24, finds that 62% of U.S. adults identify as Christians. That is a decline of 9 percentage points since 2014 and a 16-point drop since 2007.

But for the last five years, between 2019 and 2024, the Christian share of the adult population has been relatively stable, hovering between 60% and 64%.

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Decline of Christianity in the U.S. Has Slowed, May Have Leveled Off

After years of decline, the U.S. Christian share now shows signs of leveling off. The new Religious Landscape Study explores trends in identity, beliefs and practices. Pew Research Center.
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After I said that, I went looking and found that. Read a lot of it. They do pretty good research and are just interested in crunching the numbers. Been doing it long enough that they have a good base to put stuff like this in perspective.

That number still kinda amazes me. When I was a kid, something like 93% considered themselves Christian.
 
finesse said:
After I said that, I went looking and found that. Read a lot of it. They do pretty good research and are just interested in crunching the numbers. Been doing it long enough that they have a good base to put stuff like this in perspective.

That number still kinda amazes me. When I was a kid, something like 93% considered themselves Christian.
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I never would have guessed 60%+. That’s surprisingly high but as a Christian as I like it.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
I never would have guessed 60%+. That’s surprisingly high but as a Christian as I like it.
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I looked briefly and couldn't find where I read this so I don't want to speak to reliability but I saw that much of this is a political thing. Membership has increased in evangelical and/or independent churches but the % of the membership in church every week has decreased. You can assign your own values to that but I can't think of a time in history when mixing religion and politics wasn't toxic.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
One of the most depressing things about Trump 2.0 has been how easily and quickly nearly every corporation, news media organization, educational organizations and schools, and the like has just rolled over for Trump and done whatever he wanted. I'm sure some will argue that it shouldn't be surprising, but it's still something to see companies noted for their once-proud liberalism and promotion of diversity - Disney, Target, the Washington Post, the NY Times, the College Board (which manages AP courses), the list just goes on and on. Is there no one willing to speak up and and out against this guy, or in favor of diversity initiatives? It's one thing for Dear Leader and Musk to seize power, it's another to see them to do it with the complicit or open support of nearly every major corporation and news media site and other institutions.

Of course, that's how the Nazis did it in Germany, so I guess maybe it does fit. It's just so damned depressing to see though, especially at how "elastic" and feckless all of these companies and organizations turned out to be.
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Is that it, they are rolling over? Or is it that the election just provided them a significant marketing data point?
 
superrific said:
I see your point, but were you really counting on Target to lead the revolution?

Gil Scott Heron wrote a famous poem about how the revolution wouldn't be televised. He did not write a sequel, called The Revolution Will Not Be On Sale At Sears, probably because he thought it a thing too obvious to mention.
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I didn't expect Target to lead the revolution, but simply holding the line on their pro-diversity policies from just 2 or 3 years ago would be nice. I'm well aware that corporations are fickle and only care about profits, but it's still depressing to see how easily so many organizations - and not just corporations - have bent to Trump's bullying and threats.
 
So our increase in population has been heavily "latino" Gotta be 90% Christian Surprisng number at 62% overall
 
finesse said:
After I said that, I went looking and found that. Read a lot of it. They do pretty good research and are just interested in crunching the numbers. Been doing it long enough that they have a good base to put stuff like this in perspective.

That number still kinda amazes me. When I was a kid, something like 93% considered themselves Christian.
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It doesn't amaze me as much, mostly because I've been following the trend since about 2008 or so, but yea, the decline in identification with religion is the most precipitious I'm guessing in the history of the world, and I can't think of anything that's remotely close.

I didn't/don't know where it will level off, but 60% wouldn't surprise me. Neither would 40% though.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
I never would have guessed 60%+. That’s surprisingly high but as a Christian as I like it.
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Actually compared to where it was even 30 or 40 years ago that's a big drop. And if Republicans continue to force their Christianity down everyone's throats those numbers are eventually going to shrink again. It's like the Public Ed Superintendent in OK who is trying to force Trump Bibles into classrooms and introduce Bible classes into the curriculum. I seriously doubt that's going to win over students, instead it's likely alienate them even more. Mixing conservative Christianity and politics has been a disaster for Christianity, imo.
 
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Mulberry Heel said:
Actually compared to where it was even 30 or 40 years ago that's a big drop. And if Republicans continue to force their Christianity down everyone's throats those numbers are eventually going to shrink again. It's like the Public Ed Superintendent in OK who is trying to force Trump Bibles into classrooms and introduce Bible classes into the curriculum. I seriously doubt that's going to win over students, instead it's likely alienate them even more. Mixing conservative Christianity and politics has been a disaster for Christianity, imo.
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Maybe but the number has stabilized.
 
finesse said:
I looked briefly and couldn't find where I read this so I don't want to speak to reliability but I saw that much of this is a political thing. Membership has increased in evangelical and/or independent churches but the % of the membership in church every week has decreased. You can assign your own values to that but I can't think of a time in history when mixing religion and politics wasn't toxic.
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I think most of this is overstated. I’ve gone to three churches in the last 10-12 years and never heard a thing partisan. My pastor has prayed for Biden, Trump, etc but only in saying we should pray for our leaders. I go to a huge church now and politics are never mentioned.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Maybe but the number has stabilized.
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How many of those people who “identify as Christians” are Christians?

Trump identifies as a Christian. Jerry Falwell, Jr. does. The elder Falwell did.

Does proclaiming, “I’m a Christian” make one a Christian?

Is someone who says, “I’ve accepted Christ as my Lord and savior,” a Christian?

What if they continue to lie, cheat, steal, thieve, fornicate outside of wedlock? Are they Christians?
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Maybe but the number has stabilized.
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We don't know that for certain - it could easily continue dropping, especially if Republicans continue tearing down the separation of church and state. I think America is simply following the same path that most European countries, Australia, and New Zealand took decades ago. Their religious affiliations kept dropping until currently only about 1 in 10 people in those countries regularly attend church today, although higher percentages still call themselves Christian. And while about 60% of Americans still call themselves Christians, the numbers who regularly attend church is lower. According to a 2023 Gallup poll, only 21% of U.S. adults attended church every week, and 11% attended about once a month. That is a decline from 44% in 2000 and 49% in 1958.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
We don't know that for certain - it could easily continue dropping, especially if Republicans continue tearing down the separation of church and state. I think America is simply following the same path that most European countries, Australia, and New Zealand took decades ago. Their religious affiliations kept dropping until currently only about 1 in 10 people in those countries regularly attend church today, although higher percentages still call themselves Christian. And while about 60% of Americans still call themselves Christians, the numbers who regularly attend church is lower. According to a 2023 Gallup poll, only 21% of U.S. adults attended church every week, and 11% attended about once a month. That is a decline from 44% in 2000 and 49% in 1958.
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Well we don’t know anything. The data says it’s stabilized. That’s all we can definitively point to.
 
Zoo_View said:
How many of those people who “identify as Christians” are Christians?

Trump identifies as a Christian. Jerry Falwell, Jr. does. The elder Falwell did.

Does proclaiming, “I’m a Christian” make one a Christian?

Is someone who says, “I’ve accepted Christ as my Lord and savior,” a Christian?

What if they continue to lie, cheat, steal, thieve, fornicate outside of wedlock? Are they Christians?
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You could also ask how at atheists pray? Polls say a lot. What do they pray to? What’s the point?
 
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