Many Americans Say the Democratic Party Does Not Share Their Priorities

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ZenMode said:
No, I'm not a Democrat or Republican. I am registered as independent. I am liberal on some things and conservative on other things. Why?
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I am also non-affiliated, which is why I don’t comment on how the parties choose to select their nominees. If Democrats choose to use superdelegates, that’s their choice, it’s not “rigging” the process. If Republicans choose to award delegates on a winner-take-all basis rather than apportion them according to vote totals, that’s their choice. It’s their business, it’s not rigging.

I leave those processes to the parties to decide for themselves and don’t understand why people outside the parties feel compelled to tell them how they should do it. Bernie Sanders isn’t a Democrat and he has no standing to complain about how they choose their nomination process. If he wants to change it he should join the party and work from within to change it.
 
farce© said:
I am also non-affiliated, which is why I don’t comment on how the parties choose to select their nominees. If Democrats choose to use superdelegates, that’s their choice, it’s not “rigging” the process. If Republicans choose to award delegates on a winner-take-all basis rather than apportion them according to vote totals, that’s their choice. It’s their business, it’s not rigging.

I leave those processes to the parties to decide for themselves and don’t understand why people outside the parties feel compelled to tell them how they should do it. Bernie Sanders isn’t a Democrat and he has no standing to complain about how they choose their nomination process. If he wants to change it he should join the party and work from within to change it.
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I don't think I really gave my opinion on their process. I just relayed that two other people, besides Bernie Sanders, also called it rigging.
 
The Democrats need to get out and talk to their voters. Focus on normal issues and when they have crazed members call them out. They should treat their loons just like they treat their Republican counterpart loons. The Democrats have become a party obsessed with identity. They are not liberal. I’ve been a liberal my whole life. I want to live in a world where we judge individuals by their character and no one is treated differently because of how they look, where they come from, or who they love. The party is obsessed with checking boxes and wants to thread needles to land JUST RIGHT on every statement so as to not offend.
They are clueless when it comes to Trump voters. Clueless. Are some racist? Sure. Are some crazy? Sure. But the overwhelming majority of them like him because he says students shouldn’t be able to take over campuses and prevent students from learning, something Biden could never say. They like him because he says men shouldn’t be able to get in a pool and beat girls in swimming. Are they fringe issues? Of course. But Democrats are too stupid to understand politics.

Democrats should move on from focusing on Trump. Get a voice and leader first. Focus on the lower and middle class. If it sounds crazy, get away from it.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
The Democrats need to get out and talk to their voters. Focus on normal issues and when they have crazed members call them out. They should treat their loons just like they treat their Republican counterpart loons. The Democrats have become a party obsessed with identity. They are not liberal. I’ve been a liberal my whole life. I want to live in a world where we judge individuals by their character and no one is treated differently because of how they look, where they come from, or who they love. The party is obsessed with checking boxes and wants to thread needles to land JUST RIGHT on every statement so as to not offend.
They are clueless when it comes to Trump voters. Clueless. Are some racist? Sure. Are some crazy? Sure. But the overwhelming majority of them like him because he says students shouldn’t be able to take over campuses and prevent students from learning, something Biden could never say. They like him because he says men shouldn’t be able to get in a pool and beat girls in swimming. Are they fringe issues? Of course. But Democrats are too stupid to understand politics.

Democrats should move on from focusing on Trump. Get a voice and leader first. Focus on the lower and middle class. If it sounds crazy, get away from it.
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Some of your points i disagree with
Some I agree with
Get a voice and leader first. Focus on the lower and middle class. yea
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
The Democrats need to get out and talk to their voters. Focus on normal issues and when they have crazed members call them out. They should treat their loons just like they treat their Republican counterpart loons. The Democrats have become a party obsessed with identity. They are not liberal. I’ve been a liberal my whole life. I want to live in a world where we judge individuals by their character and no one is treated differently because of how they look, where they come from, or who they love. The party is obsessed with checking boxes and wants to thread needles to land JUST RIGHT on every statement so as to not offend.
They are clueless when it comes to Trump voters. Clueless. Are some racist? Sure. Are some crazy? Sure. But the overwhelming majority of them like him because he says students shouldn’t be able to take over campuses and prevent students from learning, something Biden could never say. They like him because he says men shouldn’t be able to get in a pool and beat girls in swimming. Are they fringe issues? Of course. But Democrats are too stupid to understand politics.

Democrats should move on from focusing on Trump. Get a voice and leader first. Focus on the lower and middle class. If it sounds crazy, get away from it.
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This is pretty awful for Democrats. It wasn’t long enough folks were saying they didn’t know of Republicans would ever win another election with the changing demographics. Now, young voters have moved right and the movement out of liberal states and into conservative states has changed the whole EC picture. Democrats need to find their voice asap.

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HintonJamesHeel said:
This is pretty awful for Democrats. It wasn’t long enough folks were saying they didn’t know of Republicans would ever win another election with the changing demographics. Now, young voters have moved right and the movement out of liberal states and into conservative states has changed the whole EC picture. Democrats need to find their voice asap.

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"Democrats need to find their voice asap."

Finding their voice may very well be the cause of their current situation.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
This is pretty awful for Democrats. It wasn’t long enough folks were saying they didn’t know of Republicans would ever win another election with the changing demographics. Now, young voters have moved right and the movement out of liberal states and into conservative states has changed the whole EC picture. Democrats need to find their voice asap.

www.cookpolitical.com

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And in 2005 Karl Rove and company were boasting about a permanent Republican electoral majority.

Winners in politics always get giddy and over-estimate the durability of their coalition.

It doesn't really matter that much. If Trump craters the economy as it looks like he will, MAGA will be finished. All swing states will become blue, and the new swing states will be Iowa and Ohio and places like that. Except they won't be swing any more. It will take the Dems creating some sort of massive catastrophe to bring them back.
 
Callatoroy said:
JJ is a sane democrat and has very unifying characteristics. Look at his tiktocs. He is so smooth that you forget he is even a politician. I would have voted for him for potus. When they can get him ready he will be the pubs kryptonite.
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Get him ready? What are we talking, charm school? Think Trump had anyone "getting him ready" in '16? There's talent in the Dem party. What they need perhaps is for the dinosaurs (Pelosi, Sanders, Schumer, etc.) to get out of the way. Isn't it past their bedtimes?
 
MAGA is probably the least sustainable coalition in the history of democratic politics. Not saying Dems don’t need to find a voice because they do. But MAGA is almost guaranteed to eat itself within the next four years, regardless of anything the Dems do.
 
lawtig02 said:
MAGA is probably the least sustainable coalition in the history of democratic politics. Not saying Dems don’t need to find a voice because they do. But MAGA is almost guaranteed to eat itself within the next four years, regardless of anything the Dems do.
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Completely agree with all of this. Unfortunately, it’s going to have taken about 10 years too long. But I do agree that MAGA is not sustainable, and that when the pendulum swings against it, it’s going to be quite a backlash.
 
First, it was the Silent Majority. Then the Moral Majority. Then the Tea Party. Then MAGA.

Even when Trump dies, someone will continue tying fundamentalist religion and right-wing culture wars to low taxes for the 1-10%.

Our electoral system that favors land over people will still exist.

I don’t see MAGA crumbling.
 
Zoo_View said:
First, it was the Silent Majority. Then the Moral Majority. Then the Tea Party. Then MAGA.

Even when Trump dies, someone will continue tying fundamentalist religion and right-wing culture wars to low taxes for the 1-10%.

Our electoral system that favors land over people will still exist.

I don’t see MAGA crumbling.
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That's fair, but in none of those cases did the GOPer single-handedly create an economic downturn.
 
Zoo_View said:
First, it was the Silent Majority. Then the Moral Majority. Then the Tea Party. Then MAGA.

Even when Trump dies, someone will continue tying fundamentalist religion and right-wing culture wars to low taxes for the 1-10%.

Our electoral system that favors land over people will still exist.

I don’t see MAGA crumbling.
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If there is any justice, there should be a schism in the Christian faith that marginalizes some of the appeal.
 
lawtig02 said:
MAGA is probably the least sustainable coalition in the history of democratic politics. Not saying Dems don’t need to find a voice because they do. But MAGA is almost guaranteed to eat itself within the next four years, regardless of anything the Dems do.
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The tea party says "hold my beer"
 
CFordUNC said:
Completely agree with all of this. Unfortunately, it’s going to have taken about 10 years too long. But I do agree that MAGA is not sustainable, and that when the pendulum swings against it, it’s going to be quite a backlash.
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I'm going to buy a bunch of maga hats and embroder gay under the g. :D :cool:
 
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