March Madness - Final Four is set

Centerpiece said:
(NOTE: I realize Jordan's shot in 1982 was replayed a lot - but not like Laettner's. And Derek's "pass" to Charles in 1983... And Luke's shot in 2017 was big and gets replayed in UNC circles - but not Nationally like Laettner's)
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Jordan's shot has a few disadvantages for constant replay. Its advantage, of course, was that it was Michael Jordan.

First problem: it wasn't a game winner (still 15 seconds left on the clock)
Second problem: there wasn't the build up like taking the ball out of bounds with 3 seconds left
Third problem: I've only seen replays that have MJ shooting from the far side of the court. I don't know if they had cameras everywhere back then like they do now. It's not an impressive visual when the shot is on the other side of the floor from the camera.
 
Calheel said:
That was almost my exact reaction.

Although it does give some insight into how Bobby and Danny ended up the way they did.
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Just curious...what's the problem with Danny? I never saw him play. Bobby I know was a real whining POS at Duke. After game interview... Danny seemed the perfect gentleman.
 
ChileG said:
Yeah, Evan’s left the guy, and then only half-heartedly made an attempt to cover him when he predictably got the ball back.
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In fairness, I don't think he expected him to shoot from the logo. And the one thing you really don't want to do is foul. I'm not sure getting a hand up would have made much difference from that distance.

I don't know, it seems that if a team is launching a 35 footer to win the game, that's a pretty low percentage shot already. Take your chances with that instead of risking a foul.

Obviously Evans could have played it better but it was less of a mistake than leaving Jenkins, or not guarding the inbounds pass on a full court heave
 
uncsig said:
I seem to remember a similar sentiment in 1983 when State and Georgia met in the first semifinal and everybody was already anointing the winner of Houston v. Louisville as the national champ. Didn't quite work out that way...unfortunately.
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I remember that well, unfortunately. I was among those who were convinced that either Houston or Louisville would clobber State. Both I and bunch of other UNC fans took a real ribbing in my high school when State pulled that epic upset. I will say that the semifinal game between Houston and Louisville was something for that time - Louisville was called "the Doctors of Dunk" and Houston, of course, was Phi Slamma Jamma. I believe that Houston was ranked #1 nationally and Louisville was #2 or 3. And there were plenty of dunks on both sides in that game. As I recall it was fairly close for much of the way, with Houston leading, but then Houston just steadily pulled away and ended up winning by double digits. They looked awesome, and in my youth I couldn't imagine State possibly beating them. Blech.
 
whatntarnation said:
Just a beautiful sequence of three errors in the final seconds. Cayden should have just dribbled into open space or held the ball. No 1o seconds in play, Both open dook players make no effort to come back to Cayden when he is trapped so they are not in a position to make a play on the loose ball. And Evans not picking up the open guy nearest him with seconds left. Experienced guards win ships.
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Also the NPOY could have just taken the foul and taken care of things himself.
 
tarheelbillie said:
Just curious...what's the problem with Danny? I never saw him play. Bobby I know was a real whining POS at Duke. After game interview... Danny seemed the perfect gentleman.
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he's all too often a temperamental clown. handles losing about like a 3 year old.

this is one of the more egregious incidents and there have been quite a few:

sports.yahoo.com

March Madness: UConn comms director apologizes after threatening reporter over viral Dan Hurley rant

UConn's director of communications was reportedly not happy video of Dan Hurley's angry rant was released.
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(hurley isn't totally responsible for what the comms director did but this whole episode gives you a taste of the kind of environment around that program)
 
whatntarnation said:
Just a beautiful sequence of three errors in the final seconds. Cayden should of just dribbled into open space or held the ball. No 1o seconds in play, Both open dook players make no effort to come back to Cayden when he is trapped so they are not in a position to make a play on the loose ball. And Evans not picking up the open guy nearest him with seconds left. Experienced guards win ships.
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It was beautiful.
 
superrific said:
In fairness, I don't think he expected him to shoot from the logo. And the one thing you really don't want to do is foul. I'm not sure getting a hand up would have made much difference from that distance.

I don't know, it seems that if a team is launching a 35 footer to win the game, that's a pretty low percentage shot already. Take your chances with that instead of risking a foul.

Obviously Evans could have played it better but it was less of a mistake than leaving Jenkins, or not guarding the inbounds pass on a full court heave
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I just rewatched the ending and honestly Evans was caught up in the frenzy like anyone else, so I shouldn’t fault him for the defense. My memory was that Evans was guarding the kid who hit the winning shot, then left him after he made the pass to the right side. That isn’t what happened upon further review.
 
superrific said:
Jordan's shot has a few disadvantages for constant replay. Its advantage, of course, was that it was Michael Jordan.

First problem: it wasn't a game winner (still 15 seconds left on the clock)
Second problem: there wasn't the build up like taking the ball out of bounds with 3 seconds left
Third problem: I've only seen replays that have MJ shooting from the far side of the court. I don't know if they had cameras everywhere back then like they do now. It's not an impressive visual when the shot is on the other side of the floor from the camera.
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Well obviously being a game winner isn't a requirement as exampled by Capel's shot against us that's been played 120000000 million times. Of course because it's played so often many mistakenly think it was a game winner.
 
UNCatTech said:
Well obviously being a game winner isn't a requirement as exampled by Capel's shot against us that's been played 120000000 million times. Of course because it's played so often many mistakenly think it was a game winner.
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OK, it sent the game to overtime. The point is that it directly changed the outcome with nothing else required. After MJ hit the shot, G'Town still had 15 seconds. Not the 0.3 seconds Duke had yesterday. Or not the 0 seconds UNC had in 95. Plus Capel's was a half-court heave.

Maybe I should have phrased it as a buzzer beater.
 
superrific said:
OK, it sent the game to overtime. The point is that it directly changed the outcome with nothing else required. After MJ hit the shot, G'Town still had 15 seconds. Not the 0.3 seconds Duke had yesterday. Or not the 0 seconds UNC had in 95. Plus Capel's was a half-court heave.

Maybe I should have phrased it as a buzzer beater.
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How did it change the outcome? Duke would lose that game either way.
 
nycfan said:


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uncsig said:
I seem to remember a similar sentiment in 1983 when State and Georgia met in the first semifinal and everybody was already anointing the winner of Houston v. Louisville as the national champ. Didn't quite work out that way...unfortunately.
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The same was true in 1993. All of the pundits were calling the Kentucky-Michigan semi-final the national championship game.
 
superrific said:
OK, it sent the game to overtime. The point is that it directly changed the outcome with nothing else required. After MJ hit the shot, G'Town still had 15 seconds. Not the 0.3 seconds Duke had yesterday. Or not the 0 seconds UNC had in 95. Plus Capel's was a half-court heave.

Maybe I should have phrased it as a buzzer beater.
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Capel's shot was not a half court heave. It was a running shot from around 35- 37 feet.
 
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