Mass Deportation and Immigration Catch-All | CIA using drones to spy on Mexican drug cartels

[Mulberry Heel]

The problem is Trump and MAGA make it out like every immigrant is like this, when they only make up a small fraction of the crimes committed here. It's playing on irrational fear and racism.

I love how Republicans act as if Democrats when in office just allow immigrants (especially illegals) to just run wild and undocumented across the country committing horrible crimes unmolested and unarrested.

 

[Icky Mettle]

Another quote from the Reagan-appointed judge, which echoes thoughts I've had about almost every GOP-led legal action over the last few years --

“Where were the lawyers” when the decision to sign the executive order was made, the judge asked. He said that it “boggled” his mind that a member of the bar would claim the order was constitutional.

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This goes to a point super has made many times. The courts and the bars are absolutely TERRIBLE at enforcing the rules of professional conduct for lawyers. You basically have to be taking dollar bills from your trust account and using them at strip clubs to get disciplined these days. When attorneys can solicit and advise fraudulent electors in an attempt to make the loser of the presidential election the leader of the free world, and the bar has nothing to say about it, why have rules at all?

Of course, "Why Have Rules at All?" is probably a good motto for the federal government over the next four years.

I feel like this could apply to some of our recent SCOTUS decisions. Could you imagine writing something like the Bruen or Dobbs opinions on a law school exam?

 

[NCK9]

 

[WaynetheDrain]

What an embarrassing use of our military forces.

 

[Zoo_View]

What an embarrassing use of our military forces.

Would such a deployment of Marines and sailors hinder their readiness for combat?

They’re not training during this political show.

 

[superrific]

Really? You think it's THAT unreasonable to say that some of the uses of BRC appear to be clear abuses of the original intention?

You guys are just a tad dogmatic, IMO.

I am dogmatic about this the same way I am dogmatic that, in a Euclidean geometry, two parallel lines never intersect. Or that 1+1 = 2 and it never equals three.

The drafters of the 14th extensively debated this exact question. The debate was robust, and it went on for many days, and they addressed all these issues. It was an intentional choice to make birthright citizenship available to everyone on US land. The exceptions are laid out specifically: an invading army, and diplomats. I have read this history. I do not know it, because that's very far from my areas of expertise. But you can easily find information on it. There is no shortage of materials on the internet.

Two things you are missing (among others, perhaps):

1. The drafters of the 14th considered immigration to be a good thing. And even better than immigration was new citizens born on our soil. Because the drafters understood that immigration was the country's greatest strength. It is what made America into the juggernaut of the 20th century. And plenty of people on the right understand this. They bemoan low birth rates, and the aging population . . . and then they turn around and say, "nah, THESE babies, we don't want." Hmm.

2. There are also interactions with other countries that have birthright citizenship. I believe, at the time, Mexico had birthright citizenship available only to persons born in Mexico (this has since changed; and note that I am no historian of Mexico so nobody should rely on my recollection here -- but the general point remains valid). So let's say a person leaves Mexico and comes to the United States (the borders were pretty fluid back then, and they weren't necessarily clearly demarcated), and has a baby. If that baby isn't a citizen of the US, and not a citizen of Mexico, then who? Is the baby a citizen of nowhere?

The Supreme Court has long deemed the lack of nationality among the worst things that can happen to a person. Right or wrong, that's how it has been viewed. Bet you didn't know that exile is the only punishment that the Supreme Court has held to be categorically a violation of the 8th. You can be put to death for crimes; you can be imprisoned; but you can't lose your citizenship. That's cruel and unusual.

So when you are asking, "did they mean to create this 'abuse'"? the answer is unambiguously yes. They did mean to it. They did not see it as an abuse. Nobody important in US history saw it as an abuse (not that I'm aware of) until very recently, when the white folks in the South decided to take their fight against non-white people to the browns as well as the blacks.

And that's all there is to say about this topic. There's a reason why the Reagan appointed judge was so harsh toward the government lawyers. Why he said it was the clearest legal issue he had to adjudicate in 40 years on the bench. Because this law is unusually settled. There are a few questions of law more settled, but not many. This one is foundational.

 

[WaynetheDrain]

Would such a deployment of Marines and sailors hinder their readiness for combat?

They’re not training during this political show.

That was one of the first things I thought about. How the hell are we going to invade Greenland, Canada, and Panama if our troops have done nothing except man an imaginary wall for months at a time?

 

[SnoopRob]

I'm really worried about Zen. Stroke? Dementia? His trolling used to be 8 out of 10. He's dropped precipitously to 2, maybe 3 at best.

No it wasn't.

His trolling has been a 2 or a 3 for a long time, you've finally just built up enough annoyance with it.

 

[lawtig02]

This is fun! Hope the Pubs here appreciate the humor of having armed federal agents show up at their kids' schools! It's like show-and-tell, but with assault rifles, right?

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U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents attempted entry into a Chicago elementary school Friday morning, but were not allowed inside or permitted to speak to anyone inside, Chicago Public Schools officials said.

Around 11:15 a.m., ICE agents attempted to enter Hamline Elementary School.

“School staff followed CPS established protocols,” CPS Chief Education Officer Bogdana Chkoumbova said in a news conference Friday. “They kept ICE agents outside of the school and contacted CPS law department and CPS Office of Safety and Security for further guidance. The ICE agents were not allowed into the school and were not permitted to speak to any students or staff members.”

 

[nycfan]

This is fun! Hope the Pubs here appreciate the humor of having armed federal agents show up at their kids' schools! It's like show-and-tell, but with assault rifles, right?

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U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents attempted entry into a Chicago elementary school Friday morning, but were not allowed inside or permitted to speak to anyone inside, Chicago Public Schools officials said.

Around 11:15 a.m., ICE agents attempted to enter Hamline Elementary School.

“School staff followed CPS established protocols,” CPS Chief Education Officer Bogdana Chkoumbova said in a news conference Friday. “They kept ICE agents outside of the school and contacted CPS law department and CPS Office of Safety and Security for further guidance. The ICE agents were not allowed into the school and were not permitted to speak to any students or staff members.”

Countdown to the principal or a Chicago official being charged with obstruction…???

 

[nycfan]

As an aside, had Biden done this the resistance from Red State cops would be overwhelmingly negative — you won’t be federalizing my state police!!! And Biden would have gotten massive pushback from his left flank, as well.

But the same Red State cops will probably be thrilled to be deputized by Trump to carry out federal enforcement. And a lot of Blue State/Blue City LEO leadership will decline or resist.

Will be intro see how NYPD responds.

 

[nycfan]

Propaganda — these folks were apparently already in ICE custody being processed for deportation, so sort of easy pickings for a photo op.

 

[He's Not Here]

This is fun! Hope the Pubs here appreciate the humor of having armed federal agents show up at their kids' schools! It's like show-and-tell, but with assault rifles, right?

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U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents attempted entry into a Chicago elementary school Friday morning, but were not allowed inside or permitted to speak to anyone inside, Chicago Public Schools officials said.

Around 11:15 a.m., ICE agents attempted to enter Hamline Elementary School.

“School staff followed CPS established protocols,” CPS Chief Education Officer Bogdana Chkoumbova said in a news conference Friday. “They kept ICE agents outside of the school and contacted CPS law department and CPS Office of Safety and Security for further guidance. The ICE agents were not allowed into the school and were not permitted to speak to any students or staff members.”

So, the hardened criminals they said they were going after first are in an ……..Checks notes ………..
Elementary school????

 

[nycfan]

 

[StrangePackage]

If my memory serves the border with Mexico is almost 2,000 miles long. So one soldier for every... Mile and a quarter.

Would any of our board MAGA like to enlighten me as to the cost/benefit analysis that is in favor of this?

 

[nycfan]

Pentagon Prepares to Deploy Thousands of Troops From Combat Units to Southwest Border​

The unusual use of front-line troops on border comes after Trump ordered the military to give priority to border security​

“…Armed infantry and support troops from the 82nd Airborne Division and the 10th Mountain Division—two of the Army’s most experienced combat formations—could be at the border within days, one defense official said, following Trump’s Jan. 20 declaration that he called an “invasion” of migrants, drug cartels and smugglers would be met with a military response.

… The forces would have the same mission to support law-enforcement agencies as the National Guard units already deployed to the border, the officials said.

The 82nd and 10th Mountain divisions are among the Pentagon’s most combat-ready forces, reflecting Trump’s directive that the Pentagon “prioritize the protection of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the United States along our national borders.”

… The deployment could quickly reach more than 7,000 active duty troops on the border, augmenting 2,500 Army reservists and National Guard soldiers already there, officials said. An administration planning document indicated that as many as 10,000 troops could ultimately be sent.

Along with infantry, support troops specializing in supply, logistics, security and communications are also being ordered to the border, officials said.

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Earlier this week, the Pentagon said it was sending as many as 1,500 active-duty troops to the southern border. An authorization by former President Joe Biden allows for as many as 4,000 active duty troops on the border, in addition to National Guard troops. Between 800 and 2,500 active duty troops deployed to the border during the Biden administration.

The Defense Department is sending helicopters and intelligence analysts to aid surveillance and interdiction efforts along the border. Those deployments were expected to be in place on the border within the next few days.

U.S. troops will construct additional temporary and permanent physical barriers for additional security to curtail illegal border crossings and illicit trafficking, Pentagon officials said. …”

 

[StrangePackage]

That's almost three soldiers per mile! That'll solve it.

 

[nycfan]

 

[StrangePackage]

Won't matter. They got photos of loading up the plane. That's what they wanted.

Performative cruelty.

 

[SnoopRob]

So, the hardened criminals they said they were going after first are in an ……..Checks notes ………..
Elementary school????

Little Guillermo has been selling candy without a business license. He must not be allowed to continue to make a mockery of the candy shop industry.