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The problem is that Stephen Miller seems to believe that the proper number of legal immigrants to the United States per year should be zero.
I'll never forget Miller proclaiming that "America is for Americans and Americans only!!" when MAGA was mainlining racism and xenophobia at Trump's MSG rally. That line really caught me off guard and I'm rarely surprised by anything the GQP does these days.
 

The immigrant crackdown has begun. Its first target might surprise you.​

Trump is not just going after foreigners who break the law.

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"Given the context, Trump seems poised to exercise this authority as part of his trade wars (against Chinese nationals in the United States, for example). Some have speculated that he’ll deploy it against people from the European Union and other countries that have agreed to a global minimum tax on multinational corporations. To be clear, this agreement was brokered by the United States — at least until Trump pulled out of it a few days ago. If Trump is reckless enough, his executive order will empower him to double taxes on every random British, Japanese or Canadian national (or, for that matter, Americans who have dual citizenship with such countries) working lawfully here."
 

The immigrant crackdown has begun. Its first target might surprise you.​

Trump is not just going after foreigners who break the law.

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"Given the context, Trump seems poised to exercise this authority as part of his trade wars (against Chinese nationals in the United States, for example). Some have speculated that he’ll deploy it against people from the European Union and other countries that have agreed to a global minimum tax on multinational corporations. To be clear, this agreement was brokered by the United States — at least until Trump pulled out of it a few days ago. If Trump is reckless enough, his executive order will empower him to double taxes on every random British, Japanese or Canadian national (or, for that matter, Americans who have dual citizenship with such countries) working lawfully here."
The only way this is going to surprise you is if you weren't paying any attention.

So unfortunately it will still surprise a great many people.
 
Teaching students to follow the law, especially when it comes to border security and national security is a bad thing unless you are driven by emotion and your arrogance allows you to pick and choose which laws to follow. I'm glad that isn't the message UNC is sending.
The president does not follow the law himself and has sought to obstruct it multiple time.

Complete bullshit.
 
I am dogmatic about this the same way I am dogmatic that, in a Euclidean geometry, two parallel lines never intersect. Or that 1+1 = 2 and it never equals three.

The drafters of the 14th extensively debated this exact question. The debate was robust, and it went on for many days, and they addressed all these issues. It was an intentional choice to make birthright citizenship available to everyone on US land. The exceptions are laid out specifically: an invading army, and diplomats. I have read this history. I do not know it, because that's very far from my areas of expertise. But you can easily find information on it. There is no shortage of materials on the internet.

Two things you are missing (among others, perhaps):

1. The drafters of the 14th considered immigration to be a good thing. And even better than immigration was new citizens born on our soil. Because the drafters understood that immigration was the country's greatest strength. It is what made America into the juggernaut of the 20th century. And plenty of people on the right understand this. They bemoan low birth rates, and the aging population . . . and then they turn around and say, "nah, THESE babies, we don't want." Hmm.

2. There are also interactions with other countries that have birthright citizenship. I believe, at the time, Mexico had birthright citizenship available only to persons born in Mexico (this has since changed; and note that I am no historian of Mexico so nobody should rely on my recollection here -- but the general point remains valid). So let's say a person leaves Mexico and comes to the United States (the borders were pretty fluid back then, and they weren't necessarily clearly demarcated), and has a baby. If that baby isn't a citizen of the US, and not a citizen of Mexico, then who? Is the baby a citizen of nowhere?

The Supreme Court has long deemed the lack of nationality among the worst things that can happen to a person. Right or wrong, that's how it has been viewed. Bet you didn't know that exile is the only punishment that the Supreme Court has held to be categorically a violation of the 8th. You can be put to death for crimes; you can be imprisoned; but you can't lose your citizenship. That's cruel and unusual.

So when you are asking, "did they mean to create this 'abuse'"? the answer is unambiguously yes. They did mean to it. They did not see it as an abuse. Nobody important in US history saw it as an abuse (not that I'm aware of) until very recently, when the white folks in the South decided to take their fight against non-white people to the browns as well as the blacks.

And that's all there is to say about this topic. There's a reason why the Reagan appointed judge was so harsh toward the government lawyers. Why he said it was the clearest legal issue he had to adjudicate in 40 years on the bench. Because this law is unusually settled. There are a few questions of law more settled, but not many. This one is foundational.
There seems to be confusion here. Your response sounds like you believe I want to get rid of birthright citizenship completely. I definitely don't.

While I realize that the drafters of the 14th amendment discussed and debated most every aspect that they could, it's just not possible for them to be able to see into the future. They don't know what they don't know. There are just simply things that they could not have foreseen. For example, the ease with which we are able to travel from continent to continent. If it took weeks or months to get here, there would be no concern about pregnant women coming here to give birth. It would be too time consuming and probably too dangerous. They probably also couldn't have foreseen our current relationship with Mexico, Central and South America which compels pregnant women to risk their lives to get a few hundred yards into the US to have a child in the middle of the desert.
 
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The problem is that Stephen Miller seems to believe that the proper number of legal immigrants to the United States per year should be zero.
Stephen Miller doesn't control immigration policy, so he can think whatever he wants.
 
There seems to be confusion here. Your response sounds like you believe I want to get rid of birthright citizenship completely. I definitely don't.

While I realize that The drafters of the 14th amendment discussed and debated most every aspect that they could, it's just not possible for them to be able to see into the future. They don't know what they don't know. There are just simply things that they could not have foreseen. For example, bees with which we are able to travel from continent to continent. If it took weeks or months to get here, there would be no concern about pregnant women coming here to give birth. It would be two time-consuming and probably too dangerous. They probably also couldn't have foreseen our currents relationship with Mexico, Central and South America which compels pregnant women to risk their lives to get a few hundred yards into the US to have a child in the middle of the desert.
I think Super's point is that while you want to nibble around the edges for birthright citizenship, the amendment and its history doesn't allow for nibbling. It leaves no gray area - unless they're the children of invaders or diplomats, they're citizens upon birth.


Not to mention, "it's just not possible for them to be able to see into the future" is a great argument for curtailing the 2nd amendment. Instead, the right has done everything they could to make sure there are no limits, no registries, and no common-sense regulations on gun ownership/use.
 
Stephen Miller doesn't control immigration policy, so he can think whatever he wants.
I hope you don't believe that. He's the deputy chief of staff (policy) and the Homeland Security Advisor. He was the architect of Trump 1.0 immigration policy and a major voice in Project 2025. In his role, he will have near unfettered access to Trump and will be one of if not the last voice to be heard by Trump who famously tends to go with the last person he hears from. The US Immigration policy will be Miller's viewpoint.
 
I hope you don't believe that. He's the deputy chief of staff (policy) and the Homeland Security Advisor. He was the architect of Trump 1.0 immigration policy and a major voice in Project 2025. In his role, he will have near unfettered access to Trump and will be one of if not the last voice to be heard by Trump who famously tends to go with the last person he hears from. The US Immigration policy will be Miller's viewpoint.
As you mention, Stephen Miller was the immigration architect of the first admin; it was openly discussed, and it’s been well known he crafted the campaign's immigration policy, in collaboration with P2025 ghouls.

Zen plays ignorance troll over and over and over again.
 
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I hope you don't believe that. He's the deputy chief of staff (policy) and the Homeland Security Advisor. He was the architect of Trump 1.0 immigration policy and a major voice in Project 2025. In his role, he will have near unfettered access to Trump and will be one of if not the last voice to be heard by Trump who famously tends to go with the last person he hears from. The US Immigration policy will be Miller's viewpoint.
Trump can do some things, but he can't just end immigration.
 
Teaching students to follow the law, especially when it comes to border security and national security is a bad thing unless you are driven by emotion and your arrogance allows you to pick and choose which laws to follow. I'm glad that isn't the message UNC is sending.
This POTUS is a convicted felon and likely rapist. Aren't you the one who is all about hypocrisy?
 
Nobody here is going to argue against arresting violent immigrants and sending them back to their country of origin once they have completed their sentence.

Every administration has done that.
Great, but thats not what was expected by many, including many right here on this board. There are some on this board that said Trump and Homon were going to start deporting anyone they could find. That is not what is happening. Deporting extremely violent illegal immigrants was the point of the raids and will continue to be their targets.

If some around here had their way, those immigrants would still be on the loose, committing crime after crime. Just more scare tactics in an attempt to paralyze them with fear. And to knowingly participate in this type of rhetoric is disturbing and intellectually dishonest.

The problem is Trump and MAGA make it out like every immigrant is like this, when they only make up a small fraction of the crimes committed here. It's playing on irrational fear and racism.
That's a lie and their actions so far prove it. Stop being a chicken little. Regardless of how horrible you think the US is, the line to get in gets longer and the line to leave doesn't exist.
This is fun! Hope the Pubs here appreciate the humor of having armed federal agents show up at their kids' schools! It's like show-and-tell, but with assault rifles, right?


U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents attempted entry into a Chicago elementary school Friday morning, but were not allowed inside or permitted to speak to anyone inside, Chicago Public Schools officials said.

Around 11:15 a.m., ICE agents attempted to enter Hamline Elementary School.

“School staff followed CPS established protocols,” CPS Chief Education Officer Bogdana Chkoumbova said in a news conference Friday. “They kept ICE agents outside of the school and contacted CPS law department and CPS Office of Safety and Security for further guidance. The ICE agents were not allowed into the school and were not permitted to speak to any students or staff members.”
Thats all a lie but carry on with the scare tactics. It was not ICE, you buffoon. The crow is ready for your consumption. Yall want something horrible to happen SOOOOO bad so yall can scream at the top of your lungs how awful Trump and his administration is.
 
There seems to be confusion here. Your response sounds like you believe I want to get rid of birthright citizenship completely. I definitely don't.

While I realize that the drafters of the 14th amendment discussed and debated most every aspect that they could, it's just not possible for them to be able to see into the future. They don't know what they don't know. There are just simply things that they could not have foreseen. For example, the ease with which we are able to travel from continent to continent. If it took weeks or months to get here, there would be no concern about pregnant women coming here to give birth. It would be too time consuming and probably too dangerous. They probably also couldn't have foreseen our current relationship with Mexico, Central and South America which compels pregnant women to risk their lives to get a few hundred yards into the US to have a child in the middle of the desert.
Now do the 2nd Amendment...and the 1st while you're at it....
 
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