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rodoheel said:
I will say this again, and it's probably the closest I come to believing in a conspiracy theory: I think this is what a certain group of Trump's new tech allies - in particular Peter Thiel - want. They want a global trade war. They want global conflict (maybe even a global shooting war). They want the devaluation of the dollar and they want the power and prestige of the American government to fall. They want a new world order with technocrats standing above any and every world government. And sowing global distrust, chaos, and disorder is the way they think they can do it.
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Yikes
 
rodoheel said:
I will say this again, and it's probably the closest I come to believing in a conspiracy theory: I think this is what a certain group of Trump's new tech allies - in particular Peter Thiel - want. They want a global trade war. They want global conflict (maybe even a global shooting war). They want the devaluation of the dollar and they want the power and prestige of the American government to fall. They want a new world order with technocrats standing above any and every world government. And sowing global distrust, chaos, and disorder is the way they think they can do it.
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The average person doesn’t have the ability to project the behavior of sociopaths, because the concept of “there is no bottom” is baffling to most.
 
Callatoroy said:
Agree with almost everything you posted. Only thing I would question is your judgement in using a UNC bball analogy. In most years that would be appropriate but in 2025 a UNC bball analogy might not represent the sentiment you are wanting to convey.

I’m not a fan of the stick before the carrot but that is his style. Very mafiaish and not allowing anyone to save face doesn’t promote good will but then maybe he felt it best to use that instance to send a FAFO message. I agree way more with his desired destination than his route to get there.
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That is why I specified 2008-2009. IIRC the beat-down on UNCA that year was insane. Over 50 point margin.
 
Trump did not "win" this. He's given the Latin Americans something to rally around in opposition to him and for what? Never before has so little been won and the term "victory" applied. It's like a movie scene where a dejected crowd wills its way to resistance as one person stands up, and another, and another. Lula tells Trump no. Petro tells him no. Sheinbaum tells him no.

The subject matter doesn't matter. Trump just gave Latin American countries the opportunity to publicly communicate with each other, saying in effect "We've got your back against the Americans."

Meanwhile, Trump backed down by allowing no shackling (which was the primary point of conflict) and broadcast to the world that he is scared. Because, deep down, underneath the dementia fog and the residue from a decade of gaslighting everyone including himself, he knows that Americans really don't want to pay more for roses and coffee. Not for his ego. He will never admit it that way, probably not even to himself, but he knows it.
 
Callatoroy said:
I get that all of you TDS sufferers have to and desperately need to believe your narrative. Yall are like dyslexic people. See everything backwards. To the rest of the world trump got a FAFO win. It puts other countries on notice regarding some things. Who gives a shit if Trump said ok, no shackles. The world saw that with regard to this issue he wasn’t going to waste time dithering. It was a big world stage win by the press’s reporting and it just drives most of you bat shit crazy. Going to be a long 4 years for many of you. WINNING.
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Your triumphalism is not going to wear well, would be my prediction.
 

'Cruel': Ex-GOP lawmaker slams Trump's border czar for Dr. Phil stunt​

"'Dr Phil.' These targeted raids went on all the time under Obama, they went on all the time under Biden," wrote Walsh. "In fact, Obama, in each of his terms, deported way more people than Trump. Biden & Trump deported the same number.

"But neither Obama nor Biden chose to bring a talk show host along on the raids and post a video. Because neither Obama nor Biden is cruel."
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'Cruel': Ex-GOP lawmaker slams Trump's border czar for Dr. Phil stunt

Former Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL) has a blunt message for President Donald Trump's border czar.The one-time Tea Party lawmaker, who became an outspoken anti-MAGA voice after Trump's first election, reacted on X to a publicity stunt border security adviser Tom Homan pulled with celebrity psychologist...
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rodoheel said:
I will say this again, and it's probably the closest I come to believing in a conspiracy theory: I think this is what a certain group of Trump's new tech allies - in particular Peter Thiel - want. They want a global trade war. They want global conflict (maybe even a global shooting war). They want the devaluation of the dollar and they want the power and prestige of the American government to fall. They want a new world order with technocrats standing above any and every world government. And sowing global distrust, chaos, and disorder is the way they think they can do it.
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as insane as the birthers
 
OGtruthhurts said:
as insane as the birthers
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I acknowledged that it was basically a conspiracy theory. But there's a lot out there you can read about what Thiel believes and the world he wants, and it's pretty dark. Here's a good interview with a guy who wrote a book about him:

time.com

Who’s Afraid of Peter Thiel? A New Biography Suggests We All Should Be

Author Max Chafkin argues that Thiel may be the most powerful person in Silicon Valley—and perhaps the world.
time.com time.com


There are some other articles that are behind paywalls that talk about Thiel and the influence that Curtis Yarvin, among others, has had on him, and what their plans for the world are, that make interesting reading:

www.vox.com

Curtis Yarvin wants American democracy toppled. He has some prominent Republican fans.

The New Right blogger has been cited by Blake Masters and J.D. Vance. What exactly is he advocating?
www.vox.com www.vox.com

www.vanityfair.com

Inside the New Right, Where Peter Thiel Is Placing His Biggest Bets

They’re not MAGA. They’re not QAnon. Curtis Yarvin and the rising right are crafting a different strain of conservative politics.
www.vanityfair.com www.vanityfair.com
 
I had a discussion with my not-too-bright cousin about the Colombian incident. He is one of the few who will actually have a real discussion with you though it is unlikely he will change his mind. (That is fine. At least we have real discussions.)

Some things he didn't know.

1. The objection of the Colombian president dealt with treatment of the deported immigrants.
2. The Colombian president objected about this before the agreement was made. (Cousin tried to claim that that was just a story he said after he "capitulated" but that can be disproven easily by looking up articles and times of statements.)
3. Flights have been going to Colombia regularly. This is not new. What was new was the way the immigrant passengers were treated.
4. These were not all violent criminals. (I actually don't know if they had all committed crimes or not. I suspect not.)
5. Colombian president knew about this ahead of time because of reports coming out of Brazil.
6. The agreement satisfies the main objection of the Colombian president. Who won? Who lost? I don't know. We could debate that but it is not debatable that the resolution satisfied the Colombian president's concerns.

Other than #4, these are all easily verifiable facts.

I didn't say this to my cousin, but if your opinion is formed without hearing about these facts, that should be a hint that your sources of news are not reliable.

I am not saying my sources are perfect and always give me all relevant facts. I just know in this instance, his sources excluded very relevant facts.
 
I do worry about what Trump and others will take away from this agreement with Colombia. Treating the deportees badly can result in the other country taking responsibility for the deportations.

I don't think that will work with Mexico. Notice Mexico refused flights but we haven't put tariffs on them. They have more leverage.
 
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