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altmin said:
Media is saying Colombia backed down, but didn't the Trump admin basically agree to going back to how things were under Biden, with Colombia handling the flights?

That sure doesn't sound like Colombia backing down.
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The traditional media has no clue how to cover Trump, especially in this Flood the Zone stage. It's inexcusable they're in this place when he's been front and center for 10 years, but that's where we are. I'm having a hard time finding intelligent commentary on what's happening right now outside Substack.
 
chrissteel said:
The idea of any regime having the temerity to refuse to take back its citizens who are abroad illegally is not one that America can afford to countenance, well done
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How to say: "I don't understand everything that's gone on in the past, in this situation" with out actually saying: "I don't understand everything that's gone on in the past, in this situation"
 
Centerpiece said:
How to say: "I don't understand everything that's gone on in the past, in this situation" with out actually saying: "I don't understand everything that's gone on in the past, in this situation"
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Or, to put it a different way, this is what happened.

Trump: We're going to do things a new way.

Colombia: No, keep doing things how they've been done for years.

Trump: WE'RE GOING TO KILL YOUR ECONOMY!!!

Colombia: How about we just agree we'll do things how they've been done for years?

Trump: Ok, we'll do things how they've been done for years, and we won't kill your economy.

Colombia: Ok, thanks.

Trump: WHAT A BUNCH OF FUCKING PUSSIES!!!! WE'RE WINNING SO HARD I MIGHT NEED ANOTHER ADDERALL!!!
 
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Callatoroy said:
I get that all of you TDS sufferers have to and desperately need to believe your narrative. Yall are like dyslexic people. See everything backwards. To the rest of the world trump got a FAFO win. It puts other countries on notice regarding some things. Who gives a shit if Trump said ok, no shackles. The world saw that with regard to this issue he wasn’t going to waste time dithering. It was a big world stage win by the press’s reporting and it just drives most of you bat shit crazy. Going to be a long 4 years for many of you. WINNING.
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A few more victories like this and all we'll accomplish is Trump preening around on camera like the strongman he wants to be while his administration slowly but surely pushes the rest of the world into the arms of our enemies.

Again, Trump's "win every negotiation" style of international diplomacy is just so laughably shortsighted. He disdains the decades of soft power (treaties, trade agreements, foreign aid, etc) that cemented our country's place at the top of the world order, and in the process he's going to throw that place away, all because he wants every world leader to kiss the ring.
 
chrissteel said:
The idea of any regime having the temerity to refuse to take back its citizens who are abroad illegally is not one that America can afford to countenance, well done
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Have you read any of the thread? They have been accepting planes of migrants for years under Biden. The issue wasn’t about their refusal to accept them. It was about Trump bringing them into the country in military planes with no pre-authorization and in handcuffs.

You might want to sit this one out if you aren’t going to bother to understand the situation before commenting.
 
nycfan said:
I definitely think Trump is getting credit for a victory from MAGA and a lot of other Americans — a majority of Americans. And I think he did send a message received loud and clear by other countries. But celebrating this victory over Colombia is like the 2009 UNC basketball team crowing about a victory over UNC Asheville.

I think Trump is making it clear that he is going to use US economic might to bully our allies. So the dust-up with Colombia successfully sends that message. Whether becoming the schoolyard bully among allies is a good thing or not remains to be seen. I think “not” because I think the USA has profited for decades from soft power, which takes time to build and will take time to repair if Trump continues trashing that long term U.S. project, but time will tell.
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Agree with almost everything you posted. Only thing I would question is your judgement in using a UNC bball analogy. In most years that would be appropriate but in 2025 a UNC bball analogy might not represent the sentiment you are wanting to convey.

I’m not a fan of the stick before the carrot but that is his style. Very mafiaish and not allowing anyone to save face doesn’t promote good will but then maybe he felt it best to use that instance to send a FAFO message. I agree way more with his desired destination than his route to get there.
 
altmin said:
Media is saying Colombia backed down, but didn't the Trump admin basically agree to going back to how things were under Biden, with Colombia handling the flights?

That sure doesn't sound like Colombia backing down.
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I don't think we were using military planes during the Biden years - that seems to be the main difference now
 
BoonetheAiredale said:
Flexing in the mirror after a set of curls is so much easier than getting to the business of working out and changing your body.

American policy now is so much flexing in the mirror.
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great analogy, lol.

actually changing your body takes YEARS of consistency and discipline.

this admin is wildly inconsistent and undisciplined and won't dedicate themselves to years of anything except grifting.
 
4thgenheel said:
great analogy, lol.

actually changing your body takes YEARS of consistency and discipline.

this admin is wildly inconsistent and undisciplined and won't dedicate themselves to years of anything except grifting.
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Using the analogy above, instead of common sense methods that have a history of working, this admin uses one infomercial product after another expecting amazing results in 30 days or less.
 
lawtig02 said:
Or, to put it a different way, this is what happened.

Trump: We're going to do things a new way.

Colombia: No, keep doing things how they've been done for years.

Trump: WE'RE GOING TO KILL YOUR ECONOMY!!!

Colombia: How about we just agree we'll do things how they've been done for years?

Trump: Ok, we'll do things how they've been done for years, and we won't kill your economy.

Colombia: Ok, thanks.

Trump: WHAT A BUNCH OF FUCKING PUSSIES!!!! WE'RE WINNING SO HARD I MIGHT NEED ANOTHER ADDERALL!!!
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Thanks. Now Chris Steel has no excuse for being an ignoramus.
Much better than my snark. You done went and edumacated his arse.
 
Trump scored a win for his base.
Petro scored a win for his base (much needed at this point).
Nothing much changed on a material basis. Deporation flights have always taken place.

But the rest of LatAm has noticed. And I suspect the Euros and Asians will take note.
The lesson: America is not your friend.

No one likes a bully. Even allies will be wary.
America First will turn into America Only.
The risk of a global trade war is real.
 
4thgenheel said:
great analogy, lol.

actually changing your body takes YEARS of consistency and discipline.

this admin is wildly inconsistent and undisciplined and won't dedicate themselves to years of anything except grifting.
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And the public will never punish them for it because most people are blind to anything except immediate consequences.
 
CRHeel94 said:
Trump scored a win for his base.
Petro scored a win for his base (much needed at this point).
Nothing much changed on a material basis. Deporation flights have always taken place.

But the rest of LatAm has noticed. And I suspect the Euros and Asians will take note.
The lesson: America is not your friend.

No one likes a bully. Even allies will be wary.
America First will turn into America Only.
The risk of a global trade war is real.
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I will say this again, and it's probably the closest I come to believing in a conspiracy theory: I think this is what a certain group of Trump's new tech allies - in particular Peter Thiel - want. They want a global trade war. They want global conflict (maybe even a global shooting war). They want the devaluation of the dollar and they want the power and prestige of the American government to fall. They want a new world order with technocrats standing above any and every world government. And sowing global distrust, chaos, and disorder is the way they think they can do it.
 
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