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He backed down on handcuffs/chains but got military planes. Seems like both sides gave something and got something, right?
Great victory indeed. He weakened us in the eyes of the world, looked like a fool and got what, the ability to use a more expensive form of transportation while removing inventory from its military functions to do something commercial flights were doing without any hassle already. Go, team.

Yeah, he got egg on his face. I guess he wanted to do that now while they were more affordable. It's the same shit he's doing on the border. He's sending top notch combat troops to do garrison duty on the border, a total misuse of their training and almost guaranteed to hurt their efficiency. For the duties they can legally perform, he should have sent combat engineers and quartermasters and the like. He's all hat and no cattle.
 
It looks to me like Trump got exactly what he wanted - Colombia is now accepting the deportees on military planes.
What is weird is Colombia has been doing so for years — their original complaint here was the conditions of the transport (a complaint Brazil has also lodged).

Both leaders are blowhards and it seems both are claiming victory from their tweet duel.

Meanwhile,

 
From the Yahoo link above

“…
Edgar Da Silva Moura, a 31-year-old computer technician, was on the flight, after seven months in detention in the United States.

"On the plane they didn't give us water, we were tied hands and feet, they wouldn't even let us go to the bathroom," he told AFP.

"It was very hot, some people fainted."

Luis Antonio Rodrigues Santos, a 21-year-old freelancer, recounted the "nightmare" of people with "respiratory problems" during "four hours without air conditioning" due to technical issues on the plane. …”
 
He backed down on handcuffs/chains but got military planes. Seems like both sides gave something and got something, right?
And in the process we weakened our relationship with an ally by trying to bully them for no reason.

Perhaps one might ask how US interests are served by "gaining" the right to use military planes for deportation flights at the expense of worsening our relationship with allies who don't appreciate being bullied?
 
Great victory indeed. He weakened us in the eyes of the world, looked like a fool and got what, the ability to use a more expensive form of transportation while removing inventory from its military functions to do something commercial flights were doing without any hassle already. Go, team.

Yeah, he got egg on his face. I guess he wanted to do that now while they were more affordable. It's the same shit he's doing on the border. He's sending top notch combat troops to do garrison duty on the border, a total misuse of their training and almost guaranteed to hurt their efficiency. For the duties they can legally perform, he should have sent combat engineers and quartermasters and the like. He's all hat and no cattle.
I get that all of you TDS sufferers have to and desperately need to believe your narrative. Yall are like dyslexic people. See everything backwards. To the rest of the world trump got a FAFO win. It puts other countries on notice regarding some things. Who gives a shit if Trump said ok, no shackles. The world saw that with regard to this issue he wasn’t going to waste time dithering. It was a big world stage win by the press’s reporting and it just drives most of you bat shit crazy. Going to be a long 4 years for many of you. WINNING.
 


Look nice while you fill those quotas …


This was all for the press. It worked, everyone thinks it’s stupid and child like except for the MAGAT’s who think it’s wonderful. Not surprised, dear leader can do no wrong. All in all a win for Trump because all that matters is MAGAT’s.
 

Co-operate or else: Trump's Colombia face-off is warning to all leaders​



“Less than a week into his presidency, Donald Trump has briefly engaged in his first international tariff dispute. And the target wasn't China, Mexico or Canada - frequent subjects of his ire - it was Colombia, one of America's closest allies in South America.

Colombia's offence was refusing to allow two US flights carrying deported migrants to land because they were military, not civilian, transport planes. That was enough to prompt Trump to threaten to drop the hammer.

… He is serving a warning to US allies and adversaries alike: If you don't co-operate with the US, the consequences will be severe.

… Colombia has backed down from a tariff war, but the tactic poses a test for the new Trump administration.

If future sanctions lead to higher prices for US consumers, will the American public object? Will they be willing to tolerate some financial pain incurred to advance Trump's immigration priorities?

… But these kinds of tariffs are a test of will - and could still be applied to other nations that do not agree to the US's demands. From the looks of it, this is just Trump's opening move.“
 
I get that all of you TDS sufferers have to and desperately need to believe your narrative. Yall are like dyslexic people. See everything backwards. To the rest of the world trump got a FAFO win. It puts other countries on notice regarding some things. Who gives a shit if Trump said ok, no shackles. The world saw that with regard to this issue he wasn’t going to waste time dithering. It was a big world stage win by the press’s reporting and it just drives most of you bat shit crazy. Going to be a long 4 years for many of you. WINNING.
Do you have any evidence that the rest of the world saw this as a win for Trump? Because from what I'm seeing, other countries so far are interpreting as (a) a tariff bluff that got called, (b) another indication Trump's administration can't be trusted to act rationally, or (c) both. But maybe I'm missing an article from a Hungarian newspaper or something.
 
From the Yahoo link above

“…
Edgar Da Silva Moura, a 31-year-old computer technician, was on the flight, after seven months in detention in the United States.

"On the plane they didn't give us water, we were tied hands and feet, they wouldn't even let us go to the bathroom," he told AFP.

"It was very hot, some people fainted."

Luis Antonio Rodrigues Santos, a 21-year-old freelancer, recounted the "nightmare" of people with "respiratory problems" during "four hours without air conditioning" due to technical issues on the plane. …”
The cruelty is the point.
 
I get that all of you TDS sufferers have to and desperately need to believe your narrative. Yall are like dyslexic people. See everything backwards. To the rest of the world trump got a FAFO win. It puts other countries on notice regarding some things. Who gives a shit if Trump said ok, no shackles. The world saw that with regard to this issue he wasn’t going to waste time dithering. It was a big world stage win by the press’s reporting and it just drives most of you bat shit crazy. Going to be a long 4 years for many of you. WINNING.
I definitely think Trump is getting credit for a victory from MAGA and a lot of other Americans — a majority of Americans. And I think he did send a message received loud and clear by other countries. But celebrating this victory over Colombia is like the 2009 UNC basketball team crowing about a victory over UNC Asheville.

I think Trump is making it clear that he is going to use US economic might to bully our allies. So the dust-up with Colombia successfully sends that message. Whether becoming the schoolyard bully among allies is a good thing or not remains to be seen. I think “not” because I think the USA has profited for decades from soft power, which takes time to build and will take time to repair if Trump continues trashing that long term U.S. project, but time will tell.
 
"This weekend’s Colombia crisis is next week’s Honduras crisis.
BOZ (James Bosworth)
JAN 27, 2025

On the controversies over deportation flights this weekend, before Colombia, there was Brazil.

A US military flight with 88 Brazilian migrants who were being deported was scheduled to arrive in Belo Horizonte on Saturday, but made an emergency landing in Manaus due to some plane trouble. The migrants were seen walking off the plane in handcuffs. Statements to reporters suggest the conditions on the flight were terrible. The deportees could not use the bathroom. The climate control didn’t work, leading someone to faint due to the heat. Rumors of even worse are floating around in Brazilian social media.

Defenders of the US policy say that these sorts of flights happened regularly under the Biden administration, and the way that the deportees are treated remains the same. The truth is probably somewhere in between. I doubt previous deportation flights were first class accommodations and deported criminals are almost certainly restrained. But handcuffing non-violent deportees who were not convicted of other crimes and forcing them into a military aircraft that lacks proper ventilation is certainly far worse than typical.

The Brazilian government is furious. The Brazilian public is getting angrier as they learn more.

While that controversy with Brazil was swiftly overshadowed by the much larger noisier with Colombia, the Brazil one matters. It’s at the center of the critiques that Latin American governments have about the current policy including the use of US military assets in these deportations and the treatment of their citizens.

If Lula and others in his government are holding personal grudges over this, their response will be strategic and multilateral. They are thinking about how to get this right over the course of months and years, not simply take a stand this week. That’s not an easy task, but it is the only way Brazil can effectively respond. Itamaraty correctly understands that engaging in a 12 hour Twitter war with Trump would be the dumbest way to respond to this issue.

Turning to the dumbest way to respond to this issue, Gustavo Petro is a narcissistic career opposition politician who is a social media addict who happens to now be president. Petro probably thought he was winning the online battle yesterday because, in his mind, if the world is talking about Gustavo Petro, then it’s good for him. Other Latin American presidents have tried to carefully manage their responses in the Trump era, but Petro is too much like Trump in how he engages in public and courts political controversy. This time it backfired on him. The online attention feeding Petro’s ego is bad for Colombia and Colombians. The fight will do far more damage to his country than to the United States, which will move along to the next Trump controversy soon enough.

Petro revoked the permission for deportation flights on US military planes after those planes were in the air. Trump responded with a “maximum pressure” style threat. Trump said he would impose an immediate 25% tariff, a visa and travel ban on Colombian officials, the shutdown of all visa issuances in Colombia, and implement sanctions on the country and its top officials. Colombia responded with potential sanctions of its own as well as a cryptic threat from Petro to fix the fact over 15,000 US citizens are in Colombia without a proper visa.

Last night, only hours after those public threats were made, Colombia said they had come to an agreement that included some improvements on how deportation flights would occur, and Trump’s team said Petro had given in on all terms including using military flights. As of this morning, the sanctions won’t happen and visas will resume after a brief pause. But Trump is keeping his threats in reserve if Colombia backtracks.

Credit for the deal likely goes to Luis Murillo, Colombia’s foreign minister who leaves his post later this week. There is a real issue here. It’s only a small exaggeration to say that everything the Colombian government has gotten correct about foreign policy in the past year is because of Murillo and everything they have gotten wrong is because of Petro. Laura Sarabia, the new foreign minister, is young, savvy, and much closer to Petro but doesn’t have Murillo’s experience and connections on the foreign stage. This will be a different crisis in a week.

This is far from Petro’s only crisis. The violence in Colombia’s northeast continues and there is a real concern about how the ELN are using Venezuela to cause problems. Colombia’s success in fighting armed groups in the past has come with the help of the US military. Any US-Colombia dispute benefits the ELN, FARC and Clan del Golfo.


This weekend’s Colombia crisis is next week’s Honduras crisis. ~Bosworth"







 
I get that all of you TDS sufferers have to and desperately need to believe your narrative. Yall are like dyslexic people. See everything backwards. To the rest of the world trump got a FAFO win. It puts other countries on notice regarding some things. Who gives a shit if Trump said ok, no shackles. The world saw that with regard to this issue he wasn’t going to waste time dithering. It was a big world stage win by the press’s reporting and it just drives most of you bat shit crazy. Going to be a long 4 years for many of you. WINNING.
A little early in the morning to be drinking, isn’t it?
 
"This weekend’s Colombia crisis is next week’s Honduras crisis.
BOZ (James Bosworth)
JAN 27, 2025

On the controversies over deportation flights this weekend, before Colombia, there was Brazil.

A US military flight with 88 Brazilian migrants who were being deported was scheduled to arrive in Belo Horizonte on Saturday, but made an emergency landing in Manaus due to some plane trouble. The migrants were seen walking off the plane in handcuffs. Statements to reporters suggest the conditions on the flight were terrible. The deportees could not use the bathroom. The climate control didn’t work, leading someone to faint due to the heat. Rumors of even worse are floating around in Brazilian social media.

Defenders of the US policy say that these sorts of flights happened regularly under the Biden administration, and the way that the deportees are treated remains the same. The truth is probably somewhere in between. I doubt previous deportation flights were first class accommodations and deported criminals are almost certainly restrained. But handcuffing non-violent deportees who were not convicted of other crimes and forcing them into a military aircraft that lacks proper ventilation is certainly far worse than typical.

The Brazilian government is furious. The Brazilian public is getting angrier as they learn more.

While that controversy with Brazil was swiftly overshadowed by the much larger noisier with Colombia, the Brazil one matters. It’s at the center of the critiques that Latin American governments have about the current policy including the use of US military assets in these deportations and the treatment of their citizens.

If Lula and others in his government are holding personal grudges over this, their response will be strategic and multilateral. They are thinking about how to get this right over the course of months and years, not simply take a stand this week. That’s not an easy task, but it is the only way Brazil can effectively respond. Itamaraty correctly understands that engaging in a 12 hour Twitter war with Trump would be the dumbest way to respond to this issue.

Turning to the dumbest way to respond to this issue, Gustavo Petro is a narcissistic career opposition politician who is a social media addict who happens to now be president. Petro probably thought he was winning the online battle yesterday because, in his mind, if the world is talking about Gustavo Petro, then it’s good for him. Other Latin American presidents have tried to carefully manage their responses in the Trump era, but Petro is too much like Trump in how he engages in public and courts political controversy. This time it backfired on him. The online attention feeding Petro’s ego is bad for Colombia and Colombians. The fight will do far more damage to his country than to the United States, which will move along to the next Trump controversy soon enough.

Petro revoked the permission for deportation flights on US military planes after those planes were in the air. Trump responded with a “maximum pressure” style threat. Trump said he would impose an immediate 25% tariff, a visa and travel ban on Colombian officials, the shutdown of all visa issuances in Colombia, and implement sanctions on the country and its top officials. Colombia responded with potential sanctions of its own as well as a cryptic threat from Petro to fix the fact over 15,000 US citizens are in Colombia without a proper visa.

Last night, only hours after those public threats were made, Colombia said they had come to an agreement that included some improvements on how deportation flights would occur, and Trump’s team said Petro had given in on all terms including using military flights. As of this morning, the sanctions won’t happen and visas will resume after a brief pause. But Trump is keeping his threats in reserve if Colombia backtracks.

Credit for the deal likely goes to Luis Murillo, Colombia’s foreign minister who leaves his post later this week. There is a real issue here. It’s only a small exaggeration to say that everything the Colombian government has gotten correct about foreign policy in the past year is because of Murillo and everything they have gotten wrong is because of Petro. Laura Sarabia, the new foreign minister, is young, savvy, and much closer to Petro but doesn’t have Murillo’s experience and connections on the foreign stage. This will be a different crisis in a week.

This is far from Petro’s only crisis. The violence in Colombia’s northeast continues and there is a real concern about how the ELN are using Venezuela to cause problems. Colombia’s success in fighting armed groups in the past has come with the help of the US military. Any US-Colombia dispute benefits the ELN, FARC and Clan del Golfo.


This weekend’s Colombia crisis is next week’s Honduras crisis. ~Bosworth"






This has been Trump's approach for his entire adult life. Pick one fight after another. You win some, you lose some, but you always claim you won, and eventually people get tired of fighting with you. It makes you absolutely HATED and disrespected, which is how almost everyone who has ever done business with Trump has thought about him for years. And I am highly skeptical that approach can achieve anything positive when it comes to international relations. But that's what a plurality of the country, including about 80% of those who worship the guy who said "blessed are the peace makers," voted for, so we'll just have to see how it goes. Early returns are extremely concerning, though.
 
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